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ninet
28.02.2006., 14:49
Nemam link, dobila sam ovo mailom....zna li neko vise o ovoj teoriji?



By Jane Plant, PhD, CBE ? "Why I believe that giving up milk is the key to
beating breast cancer..."

Extracted from Your Life in Your Hands, by Professor Jane Plant.

I had no alternative but to die or to try to find a cure for myself. I am a
scientist - surely there was a rational explanation for this cruel illness
that affects one in 12 women in the UK?

I had suffered the loss of one breast, and undergone radiotherapy. I was
now
receiving painful chemotherapy, and had been seen by some of the country's
most eminent
specialists. But, deep down, I felt certain I was facing death. I had a
loving husband, a beautiful home and two young children to care for. I
desperately wanted to live.

Fortunately, this desire drove me to unearth the facts, some of which
were known only to a handful of scientists at the time.

Anyone who has come into contact with breast cancer will know that
certain risk factors - such as increasing age, early onset of womanhood,
late onset of menopause and a family history of breast cancer - are
completely out of our control. But there are many risk factors, which we
can control easily.

These "controllable" risk factors readily translate into simple changes
that we can all make in our day-to-day lives to help prevent or treat
breast cancer. My message is that even advanced breast cancer can be
overcome because I have done it.

The first clue to understanding what was promoting my
breast cancer came when my husband Peter, who was also a scientist,
arrived back from working in China while I was being plugged in for a
chemotherapy session.

He had brought with him cards and letters, as well as some amazing herbal
suppositories, sent by my friends and science colleagues in China.

The suppositories were sent to me as a cure for breast cancer. Despite
the awfulness of the situation, we both had a good belly laugh, and I
remember saying that this was the treatment for breast cancer in China,
then it was little wonder that Chinese women avoided getting the disease.


Those words echoed in my mind. Why didn't Chinese women in China get
breast cancer? I had collaborated once with Chinese colleagues on a study
of links between soil chemistry and disease, and I remembered some of the
statistics.

The disease was virtually non-existent throughout the whole country. Only
one in 10,000 women in China will die from it, compared to that terrible
figure of
one in 12 in Britain and the even grimmer average of one in 10 across
most Western countries. It is not just a matter of China being a more
rural country, with less urban pollution. In highly urbanized Hong Kong,
the rate rises to 34 women in every 10,000 but still puts the West to
shame.

The Japanese cities of Hiroshima and
Nagasaki have similar rates. And remember, both cities were attacked with
nuclear weapons, so in addition to the usual pollution-related cancers,
one would also expect to find some radiation-related cases, too.

The conclusion we can draw from these statistics strikes you with some
force. If a Western woman were to move to industrialized, irradiated
Hiroshima, she would slash her risk of contracting breast cancer by half.


Obviously this is absurd. It seemed obvious to me that some lifestyle
factor not related to pollution, urbanization or the environment is
seriously increasing the Western woman's chance of contracting breast
cancer.

I then discovered that whatever causes the huge differences in breast
cancer rates between oriental and Western countries, it isn't genetic.

Scientific research showed that when Chinese or Japanese people move to
the West, within one or two generations their rates of breast cancer
approach those of their host community.

The same thing happens when oriental people adopt a completely Western
lifestyle in Hong Kong. In fact, the slang name for breast cancer in
China translates as 'Rich Woman's Disease'. This is because, in China,
only the better off can afford to eat what is termed 'Hong Kong food'.

The Chinese describe all Western food, including everything from ice
cream and chocolate bars to spaghetti and feta cheese, as "Hong Kong
food", because of its availability in the former British colony and its
scarcity, in the past, in mainland China.

So it made perfect sense to me that whatever was causing my breast cancer
and the shockingly high incidence in this country generally, it was
almost certainly something to do with our better-off, middle-class,
Western lifestyle.

There is an important point for men here, too. I have observed in my
research that much of the data about prostate cancer leads to similar
conclusions.

According to figures from the World Health Organization, the number of
men contracting prostate cancer in rural
China is negligible, only 0.5 men in every 100,000. In England, Scotland
and Wales, however, this figure is 70 times higher. Like breast cancer,
it is a middle-class disease that primarily attacks the wealthier and
higher socio-economic groups ? those that can afford to eat rich
foods.

I remember saying to my husband, "Come on Peter, you have just come back
from China. What is it about the Chinese way of life that is so
different?"

Why don't they get breast cancer?'

We decided to utilize our joint scientific backgrounds and approach it
logically.

We examined scientific data that pointed us in the general direction of
fats in diets. Researchers had discovered in the 1980s that only l4% of
calories in the average Chinese diet were from fat, compared to almost
36% in the
West.

But the diet I had been living on for years before I contracted breast
cancer was very low in fat and high in fibre. Besides, I knew as a
scientist that fat intake in adults has not been shown to increase risk
for breast cancer in most investigations that have followed large groups
of women for up to a dozen years.

Then one day something rather special happened. Peter and I have worked
together so closely over the years that I am not sure which one of us
first said: "The Chinese don't eat dairy produce!"

It is hard to explain to a non-scientist the sudden mental and emotional
'buzz' you get when you know you have had an important insight. It's as
if you have had a lot of pieces of a jigsaw in your mind, and suddenly,
in a few seconds, they all fall into place and the whole picture is
clear.

Suddenly I recalled how many Chinese people were physically unable to
tolerate milk, how
the Chinese people I had worked with had always said that milk was only
for babies, and how one of my close friends, who is of Chinese origin,
always politely turned down the cheese course at dinner parties.

I knew of no Chinese people who lived a traditional Chinese life who ever
used cow or other dairy food to feed their babies. The tradition was to
use a wet nurse but never, ever, dairy products.

Culturally, the Chinese find our Western preoccupation with milk and milk
products very strange. I remember entertaining a large delegation of
Chinese scientists shortly after the ending of the Cultural Revolution in
the 1980s.

On advice from the Foreign Office, we had asked the caterer to provide a
pudding that contained a lot of ice cream. After inquiring what the
pudding consisted of, all of the Chinese, including their interpreter,
politely but firmly refused to eat it, and they could not be persuaded to
change their minds.

At the time we were all delighted and ate extra portions!

Milk, I discovered, is one of the most common causes of food allergies.
Over 70% of the world's population are unable to digest the milk sugar,
lactose, which has led nutritionists to believe that this is the normal
condition for adults, not some sort of deficiency.

Perhaps nature is trying to tell us that we are eating the wrong food.

Before I had breast cancer for the first time, I had eaten a lot of dairy
produce, such as skimmed milk, low-fat cheese and yoghurt. I had used it
as my main source of protein. I also ate cheap but lean minced beef,
which I now realized was probably often ground-up dairy cow.

In order to cope with the chemotherapy I received for my fifth case of
cancer, I had been eating organic yoghurts as a way of helping my
digestive tract to recover and repopulate
my gut with 'good' bacteria.

Recently, I discovered that way back in 1989 yoghurt had been implicated
in ovarian cancer . Dr Daniel Cramer of Harvard University studied
hundreds of women with ovarian cancer, and had them record in detail what
they normally ate. Wish I'd been made aware of his findings when he had
first discovered them.

Following Peter's and my insight into the Chinese diet, I decided to give
up not just yoghurt but all dairy produce immediately. Cheese, butter,
milk and yoghurt and anything else that contained dairy produce - it went
down the sink or in the rubbish.

It is surprising how many products, including commercial soups, biscuits
and cakes, contain some form of dairy produce. Even many proprietary
brands of margarine marketed as soya, sunflower or olive oil spreads can
contain dairy produce.

I therefore became an avid reader of the small print on food labels.


Up to this point, I had been steadfastly measuring the progress of my
fifth cancerous lump with callipers and plotting the results. Despite all
the encouraging comments and positive feedback from my doctors and
nurses, my own precise observations told me the bitter truth.

My first chemotherapy sessions had produced no effect - the lump was
still the same size.

Then I eliminated dairy products. Within days, the lump started to
shrink.

About two weeks after my second chemotherapy session and one week after
giving up dairy produce, the lump in my neck started to itch. Then it
began to soften and to reduce in size. The line on the graph, which had
shown no change, was now pointing downwards as the tumour got smaller and
smaller.

And, very significantly, I noted that instead of declining exponentially
(a graceful curve) as cancer is meant to do, the tumour's
decrease in size was plotted on a straight line heading off the bottom of
the graph, indicating a cure, not suppression (or remission) of the
tumour.

One Saturday afternoon after about six weeks of excluding all dairy
produce from my diet, I practised an hour of meditation then felt for
what was left of the lump. I couldn't find it. Yet I was very experienced
at detecting cancerous lumps - I had discovered all five cancers on my
own. I went downstairs and asked my husband to feel my neck. He could not
find any trace of the lump either.

On the following Thursday I was due to be seen by my cancer specialist at
Charing Cross Hospital in London. He examined me thoroughly, especially
my neck where the tumour had been. He was initially bemused and then
delighted as he said, "I cannot find it."

None of my doctors, it appeared, had expected someone with my type and
stage of cancer (which had clearly spread to the lymph system) to
survive, let alone be so hale and hearty.

My specialist was as overjoyed as I was. When I first discussed my ideas
with him he was understandably skeptical. But I understand that he now
uses maps showing cancer portality in China in his lectures, and
recommends a non-dairy diet to his cancer patients.

I now believe that the link between dairy produce and breast cancer is
similar to the link between smoking and lung cancer. I believe that
identifying the link between breast cancer and dairy produce, and then
developing a diet specifically targeted at maintaining the health of my
breast and hormone system, cured me.

It was difficult for me, as it may be for you, to accept that a substance
as 'natural' as milk might have such ominous health implications. But I
am a living proof that it works and, starting from tomorrow, I shall
reveal the secrets of my revolutionary action plan.

Extracted
from Your Life in Your Hands, by Professor Jane Plant.

mara
28.02.2006., 18:32
makrobiotičari tvrde isto, čak štoviše mlijeko i m. proizvode krive i za rak pluća, jer oni stvaraju nakupljanje sluzi u predjelu pluća i grudi kod žena.

Baš sam to neki dan čitala u "Ishranom protiv raka" od M. Kushia, jer mi je ujak dobio maligne tvorbe na plućima :(

branka1
28.02.2006., 19:52
A ja sam pročitala negdje za rak jajnika

india
28.02.2006., 21:15
moja mama je dokaz da naslov teksta sadrži ispravne zaključke (nisam čitala cijeli tekst, malo mi je dug a ja lijena :oops: ). uglavnom, ona se od svoje 30. godine borila s ogromnim cistama po grudima i jajnicima, bila na raznim "klasičnim" kliničkim tretmanima, operacijama i na-čemu-sve-ne. a onda je prije 20 godina promijenila prehranu na isključivo vegetarijansku ali uz konzumiranje mliječnih proizvoda (ciste iste, nisu se smanjile) da bi koju godinu nakon skroz izbacila mliječne proizvode. rezultat: ciste su ili skroz nestale ili su s nekoliko centimetara pale na par milimetara u promjeru. doktori nisu mogli vjerovati. i tako je već 15-tak godina; redovito se kontrolira, stanje super. mliječni proizvodi: 0 bodova.

isti učinak mliječni proizvodi imaju navodno i na mušku prostatu i rizik raka prostate.

mamazika
01.03.2006., 15:00
India, da nije slučajno mama ušla u klimakterij u to doba. Možda su hormoni u pitanju.
Mene bi baš zanimalo koliki je % raka kod recimo Masaia, koji praktički žive na mliječnim proizvodima, pa recimo na Kavkazu (oni stogodišnjaci)... mislim da je ipak nešto drugo u pitanju. Najvjerojatnije ukupni unos kalorija ili ukupni unos masti.

mara
01.03.2006., 15:08
A možda i kvaliteta mlijeka.

Masai i ovi sa kavkaza mlijeko piju maltene iz krave, a kravice im pasu u prirodi....

Ovo kaj se namasmiješi sa dućanskih polica kravu nije vidjelo

mamazika
01.03.2006., 15:43
Da, ove krave za tetrapak bi valjda krepale za tjedan dana bez dodataka u vidu vitamina, antibiotika i hormona.

Arijana
01.03.2006., 15:46
Da li u kravljem mlijeku ima hormona estrogena, ako se muzu gravidne krave?

mamazika
01.03.2006., 16:28
Mlijeko gravidne krave nije ukusno, osjeti se u okusu, pa se ne koristi.
Inače, meni je koma bilo kad sam čula da te krave daju nevjerojatne količine mlijeka dnevno, ne znam više točno, 10, 20, 30 litara... :shock:

mamazika
01.03.2006., 16:30
Mislim, ako je 20 litara onda je to nekih 20litara*50 kcal/100g*10=10 000 kalorija - kako da to krava pojede kroz travu?

Felix
01.03.2006., 17:23
zar nije na jednom drugom topicu receno da su krave za mlijeko uglavnom konstantno gravidne?

Arijana
01.03.2006., 17:59
da, samaritanka je to rekla, a ona je veterinar.

mamma Juanita
01.03.2006., 18:17
zar nije na jednom drugom topicu receno da su krave za mlijeko uglavnom konstantno gravidne?Omajgad :( , a taman sam si zabrijala da su jogurti i sir ok...
Ma ja samo čekam da kod nas napokon netko počne proizvoditi organske mliječne proizvode, ovo iz dućana kod nas je zbilja :/ .
Pa kad već jedeš mliječno (a i meso)-da nije totalna kemija, nafilana hormonima i antibioticima i puno ko zna kojih toksina, jer toksini se izlučuju u mlijeko.

branka1
01.03.2006., 18:44
MJ, zašto ti je taj citat "omajgad"?

A što je onda s dojenjem u trudnoći kod ljudi?

Arijana
01.03.2006., 18:50
Po meni dojenje i trudnoća nikako ne idu skupa, pa i samo tijelo se u neka doba počne boriti protiv toga i smanjuje produkciju mlijeka.
A i večini djece se ne sviđa mlijeko puno estrogena.

branka1
01.03.2006., 18:55
Hi, hi, pogledaj na onom topicu koliko nas je.
ok, ne mogu reći da smo neka moćna većina, ali Lei se jako sviđa ;)

Arijana
01.03.2006., 19:12
Hi, hi, pogledaj na onom topicu koliko nas je.

Hvala, radije ne bih. Ja sam ovaj put presretna što još nisam dobila menstruaciju (za razliku od prvog puta kad sam je dobila 40. dan po porodu) i što mi bar ova beba neće piti "estrogenizirano" mlijeko bar još neko vrijeme. U trudnoći su količine estrogena i do 1000 x veče i to ne bih ponudila svom djetetu.
Iako moja cura popije 2dcl mlijeka dnevno, baš bih voljela znati da li u kravljem mlijeku ima estrogena i da li je točno da se muzu gravidne krave kao što kaže samaritanka ili nije točno kao što kaže mamazika?

branka1
01.03.2006., 19:18
Bar ova? A neka beba ti je pila?

Arijana
01.03.2006., 20:19
Pa ako sam nakon prvog poroda (imam 2 djece) dobila menstruaciju nakon 40 dana, a dojila bebu onda je pila mlijeko s "dodatkom hormona".

branka1
02.03.2006., 00:21
drukčije sam shvatila. Zaboravi. Nisam znala koliko imaš djece. Mislila sam da si jedno dojila u trudnoći

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 00:32
MJ, zašto ti je taj citat "omajgad"?

A što je onda s dojenjem u trudnoći kod ljudi?ma nije mi to isto.
recimo, tvoje dijete će dojiti samo tih par mjeseci tvoje trudnoće to "trudno"mlijeko, koje je k tome savršeno prilagođeno sastavom za nju,
ali ako svakodnevno pijemo mlijeko krava koje su zapravo na umjetan način stalno gravidne, to me malkice zabrinjava.

Mima
02.03.2006., 01:11
Krave se muzu u trudnoći, naravno. Krave na farmama su zapravo čitavo vrijeme trudne. One se 'zasušuju' tj. prestanu se musti neko kratko vrijeme prije nego što se trebaju oteliti (mjesec dana možda). Pa zato se i kaže da je mlijeko puno hormona, i kod npr. estrogen ovisnih tumora se preporučuje ishrana bez mliječnih proizvoda.

Mamita
02.03.2006., 06:00
joj došlo mi zlo.
neću više čitati topike o hrani.

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 11:46
Pa zato se i kaže da je mlijeko puno hormona.ja sam uvijek mislila da se to odnosi na hormone rasta kojima se znaju filat životinje da bi brže "napredovale". :/

marta
02.03.2006., 11:54
mislim da se odnosi i na tu vrstu hormona.

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 11:56
definitivno se na to odnosi, samo nisam baš razmišljala prije i o ovim ostalima.

bebibranka
02.03.2006., 12:31
i ja sam :shock: ...da ih toliko muče nisam znala...

Mima
02.03.2006., 13:11
Zapravo da, i ja mislim da se hormoni u mlijeku odnose na hormone rasta, koliko se sjećam mlijeko koje se organski proizvede ne utječe na razinu estrogena (valjda) - ali i te krave se sasvim sigurno muzu trudne, pa i prije, na selu je krava valjda svaku godinu imala tele.

mamazika
02.03.2006., 13:13
Ako su stvarno stalno trudne, to nije zato da bi proizvodile više mlijeka nego da bi se dobivali i telići. Ali stvarno mi nije jasno kako organizam krave to sve izdrži. Vjerojatno su zato i uveli mesno-koštano brašno, kravina prirodna hrana to ne može nikako pokriti. Mislim da ću i ja revidirati prehranu, ne samo svoju nego i dječju. Iako mi je to jako žao, Daniel ima dosta krhke kosti jer brzo raste (genetika, nisu hormoni) a neće piti preparate kalcija - ne voli ni one šumeće (ništa gazirano) a ni onaj bijeli sirup Ca-Mg od Natural wealtha. Ništa, kila brokule dnevno pa bok. To voli.

Mima
02.03.2006., 13:17
Pa je ali valjda i radi laktacije, tko zna koliko se može održavati laktacija nakon što se krava oteli na taj umjetni način ?? Inače bi vjerojatno imali krave za rađanje telića i krave za mužnju - jer ovaj period zasušivanja je veiki gubitak za proizvodnju mlijeka.

mamazika
02.03.2006., 13:50
Ne znam, mislila sam da je kod krava isto manja laktacija u trudnoći. Mislim, bilo bi logično da se krava oteli, pokrene se laktacija i onda po principu ponude i potražnje muzeš kravu u nedogled. Ali kako je potrebno imati i teliće, vjerojatno je isplativije imati malo manju (ako uopće) proizvodnju mlijeka i to zasušivanje, nego samo više mlijeka.
Možda zasušivanje treba zbog telića, vjerojatno ih ipak puste par dana kravi na vime, da je ono mlijeko koje pijemo vjerojatno bi im bilo previše volumena s premalo hranjivih tvari, o kolostrumu da ne pričam. Btw, što je s kravama koje se muzu za one preparate kolostruma, jadnji njihovi telići...

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 14:01
Btw, što je s kravama koje se muzu za one preparate kolostruma, jadnji njihovi telići...To mi je žešći horor :( .

LeaB
02.03.2006., 14:06
India, da nije slučajno mama ušla u klimakterij u to doba. Možda su hormoni u pitanju.
Mene bi baš zanimalo koliki je % raka kod recimo Masaia, koji praktički žive na mliječnim proizvodima, pa recimo na Kavkazu (oni stogodišnjaci)... mislim da je ipak nešto drugo u pitanju. Najvjerojatnije ukupni unos kalorija ili ukupni unos masti.

Vjerovatno način razmišljanja, koji je uvelike najodgovorniji za naše zdravlje.
Obrasci koje njegujemo a štete nam.

anchi pp
02.03.2006., 14:45
Iskreno, ja ne mogu zamisliti svoj život bez mliječnih prozvoda :( .
Vjerujem da je umjerenost ono što nas može održati u zdravlju.
I zdrav razum, ne nasjedanje na reklame proizvođača hrane,
odnosno velikih korporacija i lobija.

india
02.03.2006., 14:48
India, da nije slučajno mama ušla u klimakterij u to doba. Možda su hormoni u pitanju.
Mene bi baš zanimalo koliki je % raka kod recimo Masaia, koji praktički žive na mliječnim proizvodima, pa recimo na Kavkazu (oni stogodišnjaci)... mislim da je ipak nešto drugo u pitanju. Najvjerojatnije ukupni unos kalorija ili ukupni unos masti.

mamin klimakterij došao je kojih 8 godina nakon prestanka konzumacije mliječnih prozivoda i smanjenja cisti tako da mislim da to nije povezano

LeaB
02.03.2006., 14:50
Iskreno, ja ne mogu zamisliti svoj život bez mliječnih prozvoda :( .
Vjerujem da je umjerenost ono što nas može održati u zdravlju.
I zdrav razum, ne nasjedanje na reklame proizvođača hrane,
odnosno velikih korporacija i lobija.
To sam i ja mislila. Do nedavno. Sve je stvar navike.

Mony
02.03.2006., 15:24
joj došlo mi zlo.
neću više čitati topike o hrani.

Definitivno...

branka1
02.03.2006., 15:34
tvoje dijete će dojiti samo tih par mjeseci tvoje trudnoće to "trudno"mlijeko, koje je k tome savršeno prilagođeno sastavom za nju,


MJ, ali ipak je "trudno" mlijeko, kao što kažeš, jel? pa makar i par mjeseci

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 15:41
Iskreno, ne znam dovoljno o tome al ću se potrudit proučit, čisto po nekom feelingu mislim da nema ničeg lošeg u tome, jer majčino mlijeko svojim sastavom daleko nadmašuje taj eventualni nedostatak(pliz, ovo uzmi s velikom distancom, jer kao što rekoh, ne znam dovoljno).
ALi velim, to je tih par mjeseci, pa mislim da taj povišeni estrogen, ako i je tako, ne može za to vrijeme puno štetiti, ali što je s kravljim mlijekom i prerađevinama koje uzimamo CIJELI ŽIVOT :( ?

branka1
02.03.2006., 15:52
Pa nadam se da ne šteti. Ovo mi je sad jedan sasvim novi aspekt. Nikad nisam o tome razmišljala. O svim drugim eventualnim "nedostacima" da, ali o tome ne.

Inače, ja sam već prije pročitala da mlijeko ima veze s rakom jajnika, a dvije šalice čaja dnevno služe za prevenciju. Sve ide meni u prilog ;)
Jer obično mlijeko ne mogu smisliti. I dugo me je pekla savjest radi toga. pogotovo u trudnoći. Onda me prestala peći jer jedem mliječne proizvode i puno sam čitala o ovakvim negativnostima kod mlijeka, ali, opet, u mliječnim proizvodima je to isto mlijeko. Jedino što su oni probavljiviji od običnog mlijeka, ali hormoni su tu, zar ne?

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 15:56
Pa da, samo ogromna je razlika popiješ li dnevno pola litre mlijeka, ili neku namirnicu gdje ga ima možda trećina deci.

mamazika
02.03.2006., 16:27
Ajme pa što da onda više jedem...
Ako se najedem mahunarki postat ću subjet Kyoto protokola.

mara
02.03.2006., 16:39
mamazika, samo žvači!!!!!

A kalcija ima u sezamu, spirulini, zelenom povrću.....

Ja Irmi nisam davala kravlje mlijeko, jede npr svježi sir i vrhnje, putar i jogurt, ali i to relativno rijetko.....

Ja fakat vjerujem da ljudima netreba kravlje mlijeko!

mamma Juanita
02.03.2006., 16:56
branka, evo nešto za tebe ;) ,
stari topic o dojenju u trudnoći http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=563

samaritanka
15.03.2006., 12:50
Osobno mislim da se s kravljim proizvodima i kravljim mlijekom treba voditi računa koliko se unosi u organizam u vidljivoj i nevidljivoj formi. Mislim da moramo posebno razmisliti o nevidljivoj formi. Ta je gadna i češća. Znači i o nevidljivoj formi problematičnog izvora kalcija moramo misliti.
Najlakše se hraniti pojedinačnim namirnicama, a ne mješavinama, ako mislimo na to. Moj je največi problem vrijeme.

Ovo o trudnim kravama da pojasnim je slijedeće. Krava nosi 9 mjeseci kao žena. Nakon poroda osjemenjuje se recimo kad prođu dva mjeseca. Toliko o kravljem babinju. Ako upali od prve krava nosi 9 mjeseci i zasušuje se dva mjeseca prije planiranog termina poroda. To znači samo prva dva mjeseca nakon poroda krava nije gravidna. Međutim tada je pucaju drugi hormoni i hormoni su uvijek u mlijeku ovakvi ili onakvi.
Pitanje je samo zašto doktori razbijaju glavu o dojenju u trudnoći i njihovoj štetnosti?
Zabranjeno je davanje bilo kakvih hormona rasta ili bilo kakvih hormona mliječnim kravama. Daje se busorelin kravama kod umjetnog osjemnejivanja da bi uspješnost bila veča, a i to je hormon. Želi se potaknuti ovulacija...

branka1
15.03.2006., 14:08
MJ, tek sad vidim ovo. Hvala :love: . Uopće se više ne živciram. Čak mi se bliži i onaj famozni 24. tj. kad navodno oksitocin može početi štetiti, a ja se uopće ne uzrujavam, iako sam mislila da će dotad možda prestati. Ipak doji puno manje i dalje ćemo po feelingu (i nalazima, naravno).

ovo što kaže samaritanka mi je super dokaz u prilog dojenju u trudnoći