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  1. #51
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    Bas sam sinoc razgovarala sa mm i 100% me podrzava.
    Posto u ponedjeljak mi zavrsava trudnicko, a jer je I. nedonosce mogu ostati kuci s njim do godine dana. Ovih dana i tako cu ici u Kliniku zbog potrebne papirologije pa cu potraziti d-r Sonju Peevu. Za nju mi je i pedijatrica rekla da je glavna kod nas za vakciniranje Zelim vidjeti njeno mislenje, cisto da vidim da li ce mi bar selektirati vakcine, a u najboljem slucaju da se slozi sa mnom (znam da se to mjeri promilima). Ovo je korak kako mi je Davor dao savjet-pitaj generala. Ako ti treba pomoc oko zakona, slobodno mozemo podjeliti zadacu oko pregleda zakona.

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    Jedna ovako dobra stvar se ne smije izgubiti: radnja Gorana Tešovića: "VIRUSNA CJEPIVA - STANJE U HRVATSKOJ POČETKOM 2005. GODINE"
    http://www.kbsplit.hr/hpps-2005/pdf/...ic_cjepiva.pdf

    Hrvatska u brojevima

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    Citiraj "....http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/thimerosal.php[/url prvotno napisa
    , korisne tablice su na dnu.
    Davor, neposredno prije korisnih tablica je link
    http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/conce...vacs-facts.htm

    gdje pise da kolicine timerosala u cjepivima NISU opasne ili ga opce nema. Prva od korisnih tablica usporedjuje simptome autizma sa simptomima OTROVANJA ŽIVOM.

    Any comments,Davore?Samo pitam.

    Dr Richter: ..."BCG ne zaštićuje od obolijevanja, ali zaštićuje od teških oblika bolesti, tj. milijarne tuberkuloze i meningitisa...."
    I dalje, o thimerosalu u cjepivima:
    ..."više žive pojedete u prekrasnoj i skupoj bijeloj ribi, osobito tzv. friškoj domaćoj ribi, i to u jednom obroku, nego što ga dobijete sa svim vakcinama koje trebate u životu dobiti i koje su ga do sada sadržavale. Osim što ga se još jedino može pod povećalom tražiti u nekim vakcinama protiv gripe, u svim ostalim uvoznim vakcinama timerosala više nema."

    Nis ne zastupam, sina cjepim, citam da se informiram. I cestitam na inicijativi, i veselim se da ona dovede do novih saznanja, puno cemo svi zajedno citati i mozda jednog dana i ustanoviti sto je to zaista najbolje za nasu djecu.

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    Citiraj Ružica prvotno napisa
    ..."više žive pojedete u prekrasnoj i skupoj bijeloj ribi, osobito tzv. friškoj domaćoj ribi, i to u jednom obroku, nego što ga dobijete sa svim vakcinama koje trebate u životu dobiti i koje su ga do sada sadržavale. Osim što ga se još jedino može pod povećalom tražiti u nekim vakcinama protiv gripe, u svim ostalim uvoznim vakcinama timerosala više nema."
    Ja ću se osvrnuti samo na ovo - ono što pojedemo ide kroz probavni trakt. Cjepiva se ubrizgavaju direktno u krvotok.

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    Tocno si napisala. A u clanku na koji sam dala link pise:

    A recent study conducted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) concluded that mercury levels in the blood of babies that received vaccines with thimerosal remained well below levels considered acceptable by the EPA. Furthermore, ethylmercury (thimerosal) seems to be removed from the body quickly through the gastrointestinal tract (stools).

    Pa sad nek covjek bude pametan.

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    Ma da...

    Općenito - što su uopće prihvatljive razine otrova u tijelu? Slično kao i s dozvoljenom radijacijom - što je veća radijacija u okolini (a na koju čovjek ne može utjecati) - jedino što ljudi mogu napraviti da ne unose paniku među ljude je: povećati prihvatljivu granicu.


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    P da, fakat. Ne zelim NIKAKVU koncentraciju otrova u malenome veselome tjelescu. Uff. I jos pms, ma sad mi se place. Kaj sam opce isla citat. Cijepit protiv gripe il ne? uff uff

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    Citiraj Amalthea prvotno napisa
    Cjepiva se ubrizgavaju direktno u krvotok.
    Ne, zapravo se injiciraju intramuskularno (u mišić), subkutano (pod kožu) ili u slučaju BCG intradermalno (u kožu). Ni u jednom slučaju se ne ubrizgavaju u krvotok. Razlika je ooooogromna.

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    U korist, odonosno na stetu cega, Anvi? Hocu reci, sto je gore, a sto bolje? Hvala

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    Ružice, pitanja thimerosala se rješavaju na svjetskoj razini - potiho: svaku sezonu je sve manje cjepiva koja ga sadrže. Vjerojatno ćemo doznati stvarnu sliku stvari tek par godina nakon što se potroši zadnja doza takvog cjepiva. Slobodno budi podozriva i za svoje dijete traži najbolje.

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    Citiraj Anvi prvotno napisa
    Citiraj Amalthea prvotno napisa
    Cjepiva se ubrizgavaju direktno u krvotok.
    Ne, zapravo se injiciraju intramuskularno (u mišić), subkutano (pod kožu) ili u slučaju BCG intradermalno (u kožu). Ni u jednom slučaju se ne ubrizgavaju u krvotok. Razlika je ooooogromna.
    pjesnik je htio reci da otrovi zaobidju uobicajene mehanizme obrane na prvoj crti bojisnice (probavni trakt) i prosvercaju se iglom, intramuskularno, subkutano ili intradermalno, do krvi.
    I to u drustvu, sto se normalno ne dogadja.

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    aaa, ajooj, too? pa to je jezivo

  13. #63
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    pjesnik je htio reci da otrovi zaobidju uobicajene mehanizme obrane na prvoj crti bojisnice (probavni trakt) i prosvercaju se iglom, intramuskularno, subkutano ili intradermalno, do krvi.
    Koža je također "prva crta bojisnice", baš kao i sluznica. Nije isto injicirati nešto u kožu ili mišić, ili u krvotok (u venu). A probavni sustav može enzimatski aktivirati neke otrove koji su bezopasni ako ih npr injiciraš u kožu.

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    To je valjda razlog zašto većina kozmetike nije jestiva, a zapravo bi trebala biti.

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    U onom Tešovićevom radu mi nešto ne štima: veli da je 2003. bilo samo par uvezenih slučajeva ospica, a mi smo panično jurili na cijepljenje prvi radni dan nove godine 2004. zbog epidemije koja je krenula u KB Dubrava i na još nekim mjestima po Zg i Dubrovniku čini mi se. A ti slučajevi su se pojavili u 12, možda i 11. mjesecu 2003.

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    Komentar u vezi intramuskularnog, subcutanog ili intradermalnog apliciranja . Direktno ne bi smjelo ici u krvotok. Medutim kad kritickim okom pogledamo flastere koje se lijepe na mjesto uboda nakon cjepljenja reklo bi se da ipak ide u krvotok, ali indirektno. Misici su jako dobro prokrvljeni kao sto se zna. Svaka igla na svom putu osteti ili probije neku kapilaru ili manju krvnu zilicu. Slijedi sanacija od strane organizma i resorpcija... resorpcija kuda? pa u krvotok. Sastav cjepiva je takav da moze izazvati vrlo opasna stanja ako se ubrizga direktno u veliku krvnu zilu, a i nije pozeljna brza eliminacija iz organizma radi dobivanja imunoloskog odgovara od organizma i stvaranja pozeljenih antitijela. Ono sto vidimo na flasteru, ne odgovra stvarnom stanju u misicu jer se zbog razlicitih slojeva ubodni put tako preslozi tako da obilnost kvarenja nije vidljiva izvana. Koliko je to mjesto kvarenja u dodiru s ubrizganom dozom-depoom cjepiva dalo bi se diskutirati. Ovisi i onome tko cjepi. U svakom slucaju moja je Anna uvijek kvarila kao beba iz butine.

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    Upravo na CNN-u:
    U Izraelu umrlo cetvero ljudi od cijepiva protiv gripe.

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    Citiraj Mamasita prvotno napisa
    Upravo na CNN-u:
    U Izraelu umrlo cetvero ljudi od cijepiva protiv gripe.

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    Daj pliz link.. trazim ali ne mogu naci!

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    Javili su na televiziji i to samo ukratko da Izrael povlaci cjepivo protiv gripe jer je umrlo cetvero ljudi.
    I ja se sad ubila trazeci po netu, ali nema nista.

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    Evo sad opet kazu isto to, da je povuceno cjepivo jer je umrlo cetvero ljudi koje je primilo cijepivo u istom malom mjestu, ali da za sada njihova smrt nije povezana sa cjepivom.

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    Ne čudi se, zbog takvih stvari. Recimo, friško su iščezle neke Pasteur-ove stranice, konkretno za pertussis je bio rastući graf incidencije, a stranica je bila na: http://www.vaccineprotection.com/pro.../pertussis.cfm, a više se ne može povući ni iz google cache-a. Guba.
    Ispada da svaku zanimljivu stranicu treba pospremiti, ne samo strpati u Favorites.

    Na isti način više nećeš naći ni bitne stranice o GMO usjevima.

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    Citiraj Mamasita prvotno napisa
    Javili su na televiziji i to samo ukratko da Izrael povlaci cjepivo protiv gripe jer je umrlo cetvero ljudi.
    I ja se sad ubila trazeci po netu, ali nema nista.
    evo vijesti s "neprijateljske" strane

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...7204DE0872.htm

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    Za mlade istraživače, jedna talijanska stranica s masu korisnih zvaničnih linkova, CDC, WHO i ostalo:
    http://www.levaccinazioni.it/Profess...51~2937/99.asp

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    hej, gdje smo zapeli s prevođenjem Trevora Gunna? Jeslimo li još uvijek za, bilo bi mi jako žao da odustanemo, to mi se čini izvrsna ideja.

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    nismo odustali, krecemo uskoro

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    za pretragu vijesti po netu dovoljno je u Google news upisati israel i flu i dobit ćete niz linkova na agencijske vijesti

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    Emisija na HR1 "Izaberi zdravlje" je ovaj put bila na temu gripe i cijepljenja. Bila je Gjanero-Margan i njen šef, a osim standardnih "baza" dalo se skontati da su mrvicu oprezniji i izostaju bombastični tonovi.
    Kompletna emisija će se moći skinuti na http://www.hrt.hr/hr/audio_clip/, čim ju tamo stave, u .mp3 i dimenzija cca 25 MB.
    Highlights:
    - na temelju njihovih izvora u Izraelu nisu postradali od cjepiva
    - u Hrvatskoj je HZZO nabavio cjepivo iz tri izvora, između ostalih i Sanofi Pasteur od kojeg navodno nisu pomrli Izraelci
    - osim Sanofija, ostala dva izvora su neki neimenovani talijanski i (Gjanero Margan je to jedva izgovorila) neki neimenovani nizozemski proizvođači
    - u 2005 je bilo manje od 2000 registriranih slučajeva gripe, najmanja brojka IKAD :D , a to uz prilično ograda i opreznih tonova pripisuju primarno imunitetu, a potom cjepivu

    Nisam slušao do kraja, ali će se moći skinuti.

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    Citiraj Davor prvotno napisa
    Za mlade istraživače, jedna talijanska stranica s masu korisnih zvaničnih linkova, CDC, WHO i ostalo:
    http://www.levaccinazioni.it/Profess...51~2937/99.asp
    hvala...idem citati...

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    Prvi link je migriran - nema ga, druge sam zacuvala u kompjuteru i pocinjem sa citanjem...
    *
    Citala sam makedonske zakone - nigdje ne pise da moze da se krivicno goni neki roditelj sto je protiv cepljenja. Uvjek se trazi neka preporuka od ljecnika.

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    evo još jedan link, sastojci cjepiva, to obično dobro dođe...
    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html

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    Još jedan zanimljiv link:

    http://www.nemacenzure.com/forum/vie...9d6dd9741c9442

    Zanimljivo mi je da se kolju međusobno...

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    A i nismo jedini roditelji koji "šize":

    http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=117890

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    dobro je vec da se pocelo "siziti". najgore je sto kad nekome i spomenete nesto o cjepljenju gleda te kao crnu vranu kao sta se o tome uopce ima razgovarati, kad je to samo po sebi razumljivo, dobro, neskodljivo, stiti od bolesti i amen

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    Dragi "plemenaši", u ovoj vašoj temi je toliko puno toga objavljeno što zahtijeva komentar jer je tek dijelom istina ili čak neistina.
    Na žalost, Saradedevii mi je napisala neka se tu ne javljam, jer je to samo vaša tema.
    Zato molim sve koji ste dovoljno otvoreni da čujete i drugu istinu, pogledate postove na temu Latinice i Worst case scenario za necijepljenje.
    Ne mislim samo na svoje postove, već i na postove drugih Roda, jer vidim da ima puno onih koji su svjesni da postoji druga istina.
    Jer uvijek ima više istina. Samo su neke malo veće, a neke malo manje.
    Probajte.....

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    ubi nas ta "istina" svojim pipcima, ne dozvoljava niti jednoj drugoj da gukne...

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    tc tc tc... sto se ne slusa....

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    http://www.kersti.de/VA021.HTM

    zanimljiv link o najcescim argumentima ljudi protiv cjepljenja analizirani kriticki od osobe koja se postavlja neutralno i pokusava prokomentirati za i protiv njih.

    tekst je ovakav i kasnije svaka pojedina tocka je zanimljiva:
    Ein Beispiel für die Argumentation der Impfbefürworter
    Der Artikel, auf den ich mich beziehe, wurde mir durch das Unternehmen Pasteur-Mérieux MSD GmbH als einer von zehn Artikeln und einem Kapitel eines Buches in Kopie zugeschickt und ist im 28. Jahrgang (1997) von "der kinderarzt" Nr. 5 S.543-547 unter dem Titel "Sechs häufige Argumente, die Impfgegner in der Praxis benutzen - und wie sie widerlegt werden können" von Dr. Ullrich Kunde erschienen. (Kunde schrieb, der Text wäre nur eine Übersetzung seiner Hauptquelle: "US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Immunisation Program (1996) "Six common misconceptions about vaccinations and how to respond to them". Ich hatte die Formulierung im übersetzten Artikel, daß dieser Text "als Grundlage dient" anders verstanden, zumal Kunde ausdrücklich mit voller Adresse als Autor genannt wurde. Er scheint sich auch selbst ausführlich mit Impfungen auseinandergesetzt zu haben: Kunde, U. "Masern Mumps und Co.". Verlag Wolfgang Kästner (vergriffen), Neuauflage im Eigendruck 1997.) Die Zwischenüberschriften des Artikels werden wörtlich hier als Zwischenüberschriften übernommen. Ich beziehe mich mit meiner Argumentation grundsätzlich nicht auf die Äußerungen von oberflächlich informierten Laien, da es nur logisch ist, daß die nicht gegen einen gutinformierten Fachmann andiskutieren können - selbst wenn sie im Grunde recht haben.
    Den Artikel diskutiere ich hier, weil er auf den ersten Blick mehr Beweise zu enthalten scheint, als die anderen - Bitte den Links folgen.

    These von Impfgegnern: "Krankheiten sind bereits verschwunden, bevor Impfstoffe eingeführt wurden, weil sich die Hygiene verbessert hat."
    These von Impfgegnern: "Die Mehrheit der Menschen, die krank werden, ist bereits geimpft worden."
    These von Impfgegnern: "Durch die Impfungen können gefährliche Krankheiten übertragen werden."
    These von Impfgegnern: "Die Erkrankung ist weniger gefährlich als die Impfung, die auch noch Nebenwirkungen und Langzeitwirkungen, die wir noch nicht kennen, auslösen können."
    These von Impfgegnern: "Durch Impfungen ausgelöschte Erkrankungen benötigen keine weiteren Auffrischungsimpfungen."

    These von Impfgegnern: "Mehrfachimpfung bedeutet eine besonders große Belastung, führt zu einer Erhöhung der Nebenwirkungen durch Impfungen und überläd das Immunsystem."
    Fazit aus dem Text:
    Die oben aufgezählten Argumente habe ich in dieser Form nicht in den Büchern und Artikeln gutinformierter Impfgegner gefunden, kann mir aber vorstellen, daß ein Laie die mir bekannten Argumente in dieser Form falsch wiedergeben könnte.
    Entweder kennt der Autor (wer immer das jetzt ist) die Argumente kompetenter Impfgegner nicht - oder er hat bewußt nur die von Laien widerlegt.

    Im ersten Fall ist er eindeutig inkompetent, sie zu widerlegen. Man kann nur Argumente widerlegen, die man kennt. Dann hätte er darüber aber keinen Zeitschriftenartikel schreiben sollen, denn man sollte zumindestenst in Fachzeitschriften nicht über Dinge schreiben, von denen man keine Ahnung hat.
    Im zweiten Fall ist sein Text irreführend, denn Leser werden annehmen, damit seien die Argumente gutinformierter Impfgegner widerlegt, nicht die verunsicherter Patienten.
    Seine Kompetenz - oder Ehrlichkeit - bezüglich anderer Impfungen betreffender Fragen soll hier selbstverständlich nicht angezweifelt werden.
    Ich möchte allerdings meinen, daß die Frage, ob der Nutzen der Impfungen den Schaden überwiegt, die wesentliche Frage bei Impfentscheidungen sein sollte. Deshalb würde es jedem Arzt, der Impfungen durchführt und Artikel oder Bücher darüber schreibt, gut anstehen, sich auch mit den Büchern der bekanntesten Impfgegner auseinanderzusetzen. Mir zumindest erscheint es sehr einseitig, eine Meinung über dieses Thema nur auf die Meinung der Befürworter von Impfungen aufzubauen.

    Diese Kritik, die ich hier für diesen Artikel formuliert habe, trifft auf alle mir bekannten Artikel und Buchkapitel in denen Impfbefürworter Argumente von Impfgegnern zu widerlegen trachten zu: Widerlegt werden nicht die Originalargumente kompetenter Impfgegner sondern Abwandlungen davon, wie sie ein Laie nach dem ersten Lesen falsch wiedergegeben haben könnte.

    Wenn nicht anders gesagt, beruht meine Argumentation auf dem Buch von Buchwald:
    Buchwald, Dr. med. / Impfen - Das Geschäft mit der Angst

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    ne znam njemački , može prijevod?

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    može barem sažetak u prijevodu?

  41. #91

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    Citiraj Davor prvotno napisa
    Toksoidi su za tetanus i difteriju. Tetanus nije zarazna bolest, a u cijeloj Europi u zadnjem desetljeću nije bilo difterije. Protiv obje vrste trovanja postoje antitoksini. Dakle, toksoidi su nepotrebni.
    Čitam tako po forumu ponukana jučerašnjom latinicom da vidim kaj ljudi o svemu misle i stvarno nebi uletavala u ovu vašu spiku da nisam naletila na ovo.
    Tetanus je teška akutna ZARAZNA BOLEST, nije kontagiozna ali je zarazna. Clostridium tetani je ubikvitarni mikroorganizam kojeg se može naći u tlu i stvara spore koje mogu preživljavat godinama. Kad dodje do ozljede bakterija ulazi u organizam. Simptomi se bolesti očituju u paralizi živčanog sustava. Da, postoji antitoksin, ali što ako se dogodi da mi dijete padne sa bicikla negdje u zabiti i ne može odmah primiti antitoksin?
    Antitoksin se i daje kod dubokih ozljeda, ali dijeca se cijepe baš iz razloga što se ozljeđuju češće!
    Ja ne želim sama prosuđivati je li neka dijetetova ozljeda pogodna za razvoj Clostridija ili ne, a oni koji to žele prvo nek se pošteno informiraju o ovoj bolesti!

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    Evo me natrag ovdje.
    Sve nas je prilično iscrpila haranga oko Latinice i baterije su još uvijek na punjenju. Nema veze, idemo dalje.

    Događaju se zanimljive novosti, a kako dolaze tako ću ih podijeliti ovdje. Trenutno je aktualan debakl meningokokne vakcine koju su na živo testirali na bebama u Novom Zelandu. Poučno je promatrati razvoj događaja ovako na daljinu. Slijede popularno pisani članci:

    Svakako pročitati: Chiron Dumps MeNZB Vaccine Trialled In NZ

    Na članak su reagirali proizvođači: Feedback: Novartis Responds To MeNZB Report

    A nekakav nastavak je ovdje: Meningococcal Death Rate Increases Since MeNZB?

    Svemu je prethodilo ovo: Norway plans review into vaccine claims, a ispada da su i Norvežani tek sada pohvatali konce.

    Unatoč očiglednom, raja i dalje puši ovo: Meningitis Trust supports MoH immunisation ad

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  44. #94

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    evo me. i meni je nedostajao ovaj nas dio svjeta.
    idem citati Davore.
    MamaJu vidjela sam taj topik ali sam copirala da citam u miru svog doma sada sam na posao.

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    Oprez s tamiflu-om!
    Ispada da djeca mogu ćudno reagirati na njega:
    http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/155849

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    ovo je sa stranice bugarske novine - tema tamiflu
    http://www.standartnews.com/bg/artic...article=168007 ima i englesku verziju, kaze da tamiflu vodi do halucinacije.
    *
    dosla sam do ovo nakon linka koji je dao Davor, pa sam malo istrazivala sta ima za tamiflu na kirilicnom govornom podracju. Malo mi je senzacionalisticki clanak, ali jos istrazujem.

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    ne znam da li se spominjalo ali ako nije - www.tinussmits.com sve o postvakcinacijskom sindromu

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    ne znam da li se spominjalo ali ako nije - www.tinussmits.com - sve o postvakcinacijskom sindromu

  49. #99

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    Ja bih dala jednu ideju. Buduci da je vrlo sporno koliko djece godisnje umre ili ima posljedice od cjepljenja, te isto sa odraslima, zasto ne napraviti mali popis. Recimo svatko od nas uzme malu biljeznicu i u sljedecih mjesec, tri, sest, nije bitno razgovara sa svima oko sebe, poznatim nepoznatima, ljudima na ulici, u skoli, itd. i zapise ukratko i sto se desilo. Ako ne pitamo, necemo nikada znati!
    Pa onda na kraju usporedimo, valjda cemo dobiti neku brojku. Ova mi je ideja pala na pamet neki dan kad sam bila u frizerskom, kad je do mene zena pricala kako se je razbolila od gripe iako je cjepljena. A onda u istom danu ispred trgovine zena prica kako su se svi njeni razbolili uzasno, opet iako su bili cjepljeni. Jucer razgovaram sa bakom malog 15-mjesecnog djecaka koji ima napadaje (nesto kao epilepsija), uzasno za vidjeti, i djecak je na teskim drogama. Od cega, nitko ne zna!
    Vjerovatno cemo nesto i novo uvidjeti i nauciti iz raznih primjera, npr. najgora cjepiva, znakovi da nesto nije u redu itd. Sto mislite?

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    By Christine Colebeck

    Today is my daughter's sweet 16th birthday but we will not be celebrating. Instead I will light a candle and when I blow it out I will make a wish in my daughter's memory. My wish is for all mothers worldwide, that you will educate yourselves and that you make informed choices so that you may prevent unnecessary tragedy and be spared from my pain.

    Laura's Story

    After 41 weeks of pregnancy, on July 27th, 1986, a perfect and healthy little baby, Laura Marie, made her entrance into the world. We were welcomed home by family and friends anxiously waiting to meet the new family member. They showered her with so many beautiful, little tiny, pink dresses, we joked that she would never be able to wear them all in one lifetime.

    Our lives changed completely and now revolved around stroller walks in the park, visiting friends, changing diapers, night feedings and shopping for more little pink dresses. We were parents now, we had a family and life was absolutely perfect.

    I took Laura for several baby check-ups at the pediatrician. She was a kind and gentle older woman. At 3 months old, the pediatrician was very pleased with Laura's development and weight gain and vaccinated her with DPT OPV. I didn't even question her, I knew that all my friend's babies had this same vaccine and "all good mothers" vaccinated their children to protect them. I left the pediatrician's office and walked home.

    Laura was very fussy, which was unusual. She was crying loudly all the way home in the stroller. When we got home, I realized she had urinated so heavily she wet everything in the stroller. Then her cry turned into screaming and she developed a fever, her leg was very swollen and red, and felt hot. I called the pediatrician who told me this was "normal" and to give her Tempra. I gave her baby Tempra and I felt better, the pediatrician had assured me this was normal.

    Laura continued to scream and I could no longer console her. My every instinct told me this was not normal but I was young with my first child and trusted the doctor. I could not hold Laura in my arms because she screamed louder as any movement of her leg seemed to cause her terrible pain. I put her in the swing and she cried herself to sleep. I was so relieved, the Tempra was working and the doctor must have been right. I began to feel silly for all my worrying. A short time later, Laura woke up screaming and spent the evening screaming and sleeping on and off.

    She had no appetite and nothing made her stop crying. Finally it was bedtime and she cried in her crib, until she fell asleep. She had never cried herself to sleep before and I felt very bad for letting her but if I held her, she screamed louder. My husband came home from work and I told him about everything that had happened that day. Laura was sleeping soundly in her crib and we were both relieved that she seemed to be feeling better and decided not to worry... I should have worried.

    In the morning I awoke and was startled to realize my husband had slept in for work. I immediately knew something was wrong and the worry from the previous night came rushing back to me. I quickly ran to her crib, with a feeling of dread. She did not look right. I closed my eyes tight and opened them again, and considered the possibility that this was a dream, but when I opened my eyes she looked dead.

    I went into shock and after that, much of this day remains a blur. I touched her and she was very warm. I screamed for my husband to call 911.

    I watched as he performed CPR, my body was frozen and I couldn't move. He tried to revive our child to no avail. He was shouting for me to open the door for the paramedics, I was temporarily jolted back to reality and I went and opened the door. I could now move but couldn't speak. I just stood there numbly shaking my head, feeling completely helpless as dozens of paramedics, police and firemen rushed past me into our home. I didn't cry, and I wanted to scream at them to leave her alone but I couldn't speak. She was on the floor and they were shocking her tiny body, in the little bedroom with the yellow painted walls and clown wallpaper. I stood there praying in my head that they would just leave her alone, that they would get out of her bedroom and that I would wake up from this horrible dream.

    Then I heard someone saying there was a faint pulse and I suddenly felt hopeful. She was rushed from the house in an ambulance. It was then that the homicide detectives led us into another room and the interrogation began.

    They decided that my husband and I needed to be questioned in separate rooms. I immediately realized they suspected that we had done this to our child. We all know that perfect children do not suddenly die for no reason. I was silent, I had already decided in my own mind that this was somehow all my fault and although I wasn't quite sure what I had done to kill her, I was convinced that I had somehow caused this to happen. Perhaps, I was being punished by god for a sin or perhaps it happened because I had let her cry herself to sleep that night. The fact remained that my child was dead and "good mothers" do not have dead children.

    My husband began to protest loudly about the line of questioning and he demanded we be taken immediately to the hospital, to see our child. The detectives finally took us to the hospital and put us in the "bad news room." The doctor came and insisted we sit down before he spoke to us. He began telling us that they had tried this and that and then finally he said the words that would echo in my ears for a lifetime:

    "She is dead."

    The pediatrician whom I so respected and adored broke down and cried when I gave her the news on the phone. She went back and forth defending the vaccine that she was told was safe, and blaming it for killing my child and those who told her it was safe.

    She then told me that she also had another patient, an infant boy, die after this same vaccination.

    Then the detectives took us home for more questions, often repeating the same questions several times until they grew tired of asking them. The questions constantly centered around our involvement, then they searched the house and checked for signs of forced entry. My husband repeatedly told them that he thought the vaccine had killed our child and told them over and over about her unusual behavior since she was vaccinated.

    Everyone we knew arrived at our house. I made coffee and tidied the house, like it was any other day and we were having "guests". Shock is a strange and wonderful thing and of course you don't know you are in it.

    My parents finally insisted on taking me to their house for a few days, while my husband and his friends had the horrendous task of packing up the nursery because I couldn't stand to look at it any longer. The room I had so lovingly made was now empty and a source of great pain.

    Several days later, after the funeral and the tiny white coffin that was so small my husband carried it alone, I finally came out of shock and allowed myself to cry a river. I cried for all the things I would never do with my daughter. All the ballet classes I would never take her to, the wedding I would never attend, the grandchildren I would never know and all the dreams I would never realize with her. I cried for all that was and all that would never be. There was an emptiness inside of me that threatened to swallow me up whole, as I fell into the depths of grief during the darkest days of my life.

    The detectives eventually became satisfied that we had not harmed our daughter in any way and the investigation into her death ended. We were then left without answers.

    The doctors did not want to talk about her death being related in any way to the vaccine and, one after the other, refused to answer our many questions. I was repeatedly told that vaccines were for "the greater good." I was even told that loss of life through immunization was "expected" in the war against disease but these losses were considered to be at "acceptable" levels. However, this did not feel very acceptable or good to me as a mother with empty arms that ached for my child. The coroner finally told us months later that the cause of death was determined to be "SIDS" (sudden infant death syndrome), meaning "no known cause," and refused to release a copy of the autopsy report to us.

    It took almost a year for us to obtain this report and to our great horror, we realized that the autopsy summery was copied directly from the vaccine product monograph under the heading "Contraindications" as follows:

    "Sudden infant death syndrome has been reported following administration of vaccines containing Diphtheria, tetanus toxoids, and pertussis vaccine. However, the significance of these reports is not clear. One common factor is the age where primary immunization was done between the age of 2 to 6 months, a period where most sudden infant death syndromes are found to occur with a peak incidence being at 2 to 4 months."

    There was no toxicology testing performed and the pediatrician never filed an adverse vaccine reaction report with health authorities. I later learned that most vaccine-induced deaths in this country are listed as SIDS and SIDS statistics are NOT included in vaccine adverse reaction data, even if a child dies only a few hours after receiving inoculation. This data is presented to physicians and the public to reassure them that vaccines are safe.

    The government's own literature advises that there has been little or no testing in the area of vaccine safety or efficacy. Essentially, our children are the test. According to their literature, immunization is "the most cost effective" way to prevent disease. Nowhere in their literature does it claim to be the safest. We are trading our children's lives to save the government money. We are told that the benefits outweigh the risks but many of the diseases that we vaccinate for are not even life threatening; however, the vaccine itself has the potential to kill.

    Vaccines kill at a much higher rate than we are led to believe. We play vaccine roulette with our children's lives and we never know which child will fall victim next.

    If the odds are 1 in 500 thousand for death, 1 in 100 thousand for permanent brain injury, 1 in 1700 for seizures and convulsions or 1 in 100 for adverse reaction, are you willing to take that chance? Are any odds acceptable enough to convince you to gamble with your child's life?

    I can assure you that death from vaccination is neither quick nor painless. I helplessly watched my daughter suffer an excruciatingly slow death as she screamed and arched her back in pain, while the vaccine did as it was intended to do and assaulted her immature immune system. The poisons used as preservatives seeped through her tiny body, overwhelming her vital organs one by one until they collapsed. It is an image that will haunt me forever and I hope no other parent ever has to witness it.

    A death sentence considered too inhumane for this county's most violent criminals was handed down to my beautiful, innocent, infant daughter, death by lethal injection.

    Today, on my daughter's birthday, I will grieve not only for the loss of my own child but for all the innocent children for which the benefits of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and are unnecessarily sentenced to death by lethal injection, under the guise of "the greater good." The true war is not against disease; we have somehow become our own worst enemy by putting our faith in science instead of nature. Today, I call on all mothers across the world to join me in putting an end to this senseless slaughter of our most precious resource, our children.


    Istinita prica jedne majke..
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    Please share Laura's story with friends and family members who plan on having children in the coming years.

    To learn more about the potential dangers of vaccines, I recommend that you visit a Canadian site called the Vaccine Risk Awareness Network

    If you would like to write to Christine Colebeck, her e-mail address is: ccolebeck at rogers.com. Please replace "at" with an @ symbol.

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