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Mislim da je ovo jako teško napraviti budući da ima raznih informacija po internetu i da je pitanje kome vjerovati. Npr. u ovom što je stavila tropical piše da se navedeno povrće ne smije davati prije navršena tri mjeseca,a može između 4 i 6. U tablici dohrane na forumu piše da špinat ide s 12, a mrkva s 6, razlgo zašto je špinat odgođen su nitrati, a ima ih i u mrkvi koja je svugdje u početku dohrane.
Osim toga mrkva zatvara kaj baš nije zgodno za bebu koja počinje s dohranom.
Ne slažem se da treba zabraniti lino, ja u ovom ne vidim ništa štetno
http://www.podravka.hr/brandovi/proi...o-riza-kukuruz
zar ti nisam na mailu rekla da tražiš korjenasto: mrjve, rotkve, cikle, peršine, celere...Citiraj:
tropical prvotno napisa
Sirius Black, vidim da su dvije od preporučenih priprema s kravljim mlijekom
od 4 - 6 mj. s dvotrećinskim. a od 6 mjeseci s običnim
a kravlje mlijeko vodeći prehrambeni alergen :(
i ne vidim koji sve aditivi spadaju u pravilnik pod *
ako se radi na mm ili AD (štoveć dijete uzima) i pod uvjetom da nema dodanog šećera, koji ostali Lineki imaju ;), onda je ovaj riža-kukuruz ok
mislim da je i čisti rižolino bio ok, kad sam ja uvodila rižu
dakle, ja bi davala rižu i rižu-kukuruz
ali sve ostale s dodatkom šećera :no:
cure, nemojte se ljutiti, ja ću stvarno brisati sve ono što nisam zamislila da ide u ovaj topic
lino, pašteta, hrenovke... to nisu osnovne namirnice i ne idu u tablicu dohrane...
zamislila sam da ovaj topic bude doprinos svih nas onima kojima je potreban, uključujući i nas same
nema smisla opet započeti rasprave o pojedinim jelima, namirnicama, ima dosta topica o tome
ono što napišemo, dajemo na recenziju Hrvatskom pedijatrijskom društvu i nutricionistima.
i uvijek će biti onih koji će sumnjati u ispravnost ili relevantnost.
ali, nijedna informacija nije u kamenu isklesana i podložna je promjenama...
:love:
znaš li što je sporno?Citiraj:
Sirius Black prvotno napisa
to da Podravka krši Pravilnik i proizvodi hranu koja bi se trebala davati bebama od 4 mjeseca :shock:
Nije li to dovoljno, pa da je uopće ne spominjemo?!
Bundeva, buča,tikvica, tikva - mogu li sve u isto vrijeme, odnosno, mogu li sve na početku dohrane
Maslinovo ulje - zauvijek razriješiti dileme, trileme...da li ga je potrebno dodavati u kašice, da li je mm dovoljno (4,2 % masti), da li je istina da je bitno za bolju apsorpciju vitamina, ili bez dodavanja soli ulje ionako nema smisla itd...
Žitarice - integralne ili ne (s obzirom na eventualno nepotrebno ili čak opasno opterećivanje dječje probave integralnim)
Margarin ili maslac i kada
Super inicijativa Apricot :*
Da to i mene zanima što se tiče svega integralnog . Mi smo počeli dohranu i dala sam integralnu rižu ali sada kada sam ovo pročitala nemam pojma .
Zanima me i za bananu jel 1oo posto nakon 7 mj jer smo mi blizu ( u nedjelju ) i to sam joj planirala uvesti .
A i za ribu sam našla nakon 7 mj , drugdje nakon 8 mj. Piletina i puretina nakon 6 mj a drugdje nakon 8 mj. ???????? Totalno drugačije informacije .
Paprika ?
Također bi bilo dobro napisati koju vrstu korabe kada s obzirom da smo mi počeli s onom koju ja znam kod nas - žuta , a na kraju sam vidjela da postoji i bijela koju smo jučer nabavili pa ćemo probati .
:/
Trešnje, višnje, kupine, maline, ogrozdi, joste, crni i crveni ribiz, mušmule?
To je sve voće koje je često u uporabi (mi ga imamo doma), pa bi bilo zgodno da je isto navedeno. Da, netko je več spomenuo domaće nešpricane jagode.
stavit ćemo grupu bobičasto voće i grupu koštunjičavo voće
nećemo nabrajati voćku po voćku, nema smisla
Anemona, bi li prevela ovo?
Pediatricians recommend introducing whole berries and jams made with berries slowly, and only after your child's first birthday. At that point your baby's digestive system is fairly developed, she's had a few months of experience eating other solid foods, and she's generally less likely to have a serious reaction. If your family has a history of asthma or allergies to food or plants (such as hay fever), you might want to wait even longer.
Signs of food allergy include swelling of the tongue, lips, and face; skin rash; wheezing; abdominal cramping; vomiting; or diarrhea. If your baby has a reaction like this after eating berries, call your pediatrician as soon as possible.
"Strawberries and blueberries also pose a choking hazard, so they should be cut into small pieces until your baby can chew them completely," says Susan Moores, a registered dietitian in St. Paul and a spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. Berries are slippery and often slide whole down a baby's throat before she's had a chance to chew. A good rule is to cut blueberries in half and other berries into fingertip-sized pieces until your child is at least 2.
Some babies also have trouble digesting the seeds found in berries such as blackberries and raspberries. If you notice any seeds in your child's dirty diaper don't be alarmed. It may look strange, but it just means the seeds passed harmlessly through your baby.
obavezno provjeriti kad integralne zitarice
možeš ti?
:saint:
nisi ali sam srećom krenula u tom smjeru ionako!Citiraj:
apricot prvotno napisa
tek sam krenula i ovo su službeno izjavili u 'American Academy of Pediatrics'Citiraj:
Sirius Black prvotno napisa
da se slažemo i ne. ali to je njihova službena izjava iz neke studije o nitratima u vodi pogotovo u vodi iz bunara.
ananas , kivi , dinja , zob ( tipa pahuljica ) , ječmena kaša , heljda , med .
O medu sam naišla na različita stajališta a totalno suprotna .
apricot imaš pp.
Ako stogod jos stogod treba prevoditi sa/na engleski jezik, ja se dobrovoljno javljam. Nisam prof., ali radim prijevode vec neko vrijeme, pa ako treba...
Sipak pise od 8-10mj da se uvodi sok od sipka al to mi je nekako rano :/
http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/news/?p=357
Ako nadem stagod jos javim.
SA OVOG PRETRAŽNIKA:
LINK
MRKVA
http://wikiparenting.parentsconnect....food_-_Carrots
Cooking
When using carrots as a baby food, it is essential to peel them first, as the immature digestive system that infants possess is unable to digest the peel. Also, another good reason to first peel the carrot is that unless it is organic, the concentration of chemicals used in it's farming is highest in the skin.
Steaming is the best method to cook carrots, as this allows the all important beta carotene to be absorbed to it's highest potential.
[edit] Age for introduction
Due to a high concentration of nitrates present, carrots should only be introduced into an infants diet at 7-8 months of age.
još sam na mrkvi
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/634288
itrate content of carrots in baby formulas (author's transl)]
[Article in German]
Stolley H, Schlage C, Droese W.
The nitrate content of carrots and of commercial processed carrot formulas for infants was examined. Fresh and canned carrots were found to contain between 40 and 850 mg NO3/kg carrot. Processed infant foods made of carrots contained between 55 and 215 mg NO3/kg of the ready-to-serve food. It is suggested not to recommend household preparation of carrots for healthy and diseases infants during their first months of life. It is questioned whether the legal limit of 250 mg NO3/kg is really safe for carrot preparations used in feeding infants during their first months of life.
pa dalje.. o nitratima u hrani
LINK
Commercial baby foods with nitrate levels higher than 45 ppm include mixed vegetables, bananas, carrots, garden vegetables, spinach, green beans, and beets. The amount of nitrate in one 113-g (4 oz) jar of beets, for example, is equivalent to the amount of nitrate in nearly 5.5 L of water at 45 ppm nitrate. CONCLUSIONS: A controlled clinical trial is needed to clarify how consuming high-nitrate foods correlates with methemoglobin levels in infants younger than 6 months
pa nadalje- zašto su nitrati i nitriti štetni djeci
LINK
An ion chromatographic method was developed for the determination of nitrate and nitrite in vegetable and fruit baby foods. The introduction of nitrate or nitrite to food may be natural or artificial as a preservative. Because of the higher pH found in babies' stomachs, nitrate can act as a reservoir for the production of nitrite by nitrate-reducing bacteria that can be harbored in the intestinal tract. This problem does not exist in adults because of the lower pH of the adult stomach. Exposure to nitrite by infants can result in methemoglobinemia (blue baby syndrome). There are also indications that carcinogenic nitrosamines can be formed from nitrates at the higher pH. These gastric conditions disappear at approximately 6 months of age.
Mrkva sakuplja teške metale iz zemlje tako da je u biti više štetna nego korisna ako nije sigurno iz kojeg je izvora. Tako nekako uče na agronomskom fakultetu. Možete njima poslati upit, i onima na pbf-u. Vjerojatno ne znaju kada se što može jesti, ali imaju potrebne informacije o tome kako se što razgrađuje i koja hrana sadrži ono što bebama treba (ili ne treba). Mogu pitati seku kome se točno trebate obratiti.
A internet kao pouzdan izvor informacija mi je malo :/
da sam nasla dva pouzdana izvora s istom info, ne bi pitala :P
ok, pitat ćemo
Apricot, sorry tek sam vidjela...trazim...hocu i prevesti?
nadam se da nije kasno
nije kasno, ma kakvi! :*
imamo dva tjedna da prikupimo što više podataka.
onda ih šaljem na reviziju doktorici koja je stvarno autoritet po pitanju dohrane n ovim prostorima.
i to je najviše što mi sada možemo učiniti.
naravno d ćemo uvijek pronalaziti oprečna mišljenja i savjete, ali negdje se granica mora povući.
uostalom, kako rekosmo nekoliko puta, tablice nisu u kamenu uklesane niti služe da ih se slijepo držimo. One su nekakvi vodiči, pomoć na putu ka raznovrsnim jelovnicima.
može li se znati ime te doktorice?
:)
naravno, pisat će joj ime na popisu recenzenata.
ok, hvala, pričekat ću popis recenzenata
:)
nakon dva dana guglanja samo ovo :(
za slanutak
tablice koje sam usput nasla kazu da slanutak i druge mahunarke treba davati nakon godinu dana. isto pise i u OKUS LJUBAVI, Brošura o dojenju i dohrani (2005) str. 15 i kod JBP koja ju navodu o odjeljku od 10 do 12 mjCitiraj:
Protein is important for maintaining tissue and growth. It is made of amino acids and whilst the body makes much of the needed proteins itself, the rest must come from the food we eat. Vegetarians can get protein from animal products such as dairy and eggs. Vegans must eat plant sources of protein which can be just as good as meat sources. Some such sources include:
• Seeds (eg. pumpkin, sesame, sunflower)
• Pulses and beans (eg. soy, kidney beans, chickpeas, lentils)
• Nuts (eg. almonds, hazelnuts, brazil nuts, peanuts (which are actually legumes)
• Wholegrains (eg. wholemeal bread/pasta, oats, wholegrain rice)
(izvor: LINK)
Chickpeas are a helpful source of zinc, folate and protein.[11][12] They are also very high in dietary fiber and hence a healthy source of carbohydrates for persons with insulin sensitivity or diabetes. Chickpeas are low in fat and most of this is polyunsaturated.
One hundred grams of mature boiled chickpeas contains 164 calories, 2.6 grams of fat (of which only 0.27 grams is saturated), 7.6 grams of dietary fiber and 8.9 grams of protein. Chickpeas also provide dietary calcium (49-53 mg/100 g), with some sources citing the garbanzo's calcium content as about the same as yogurt and close to milk.
(izvor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_pea)
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losos- slicno kao sa slanutkom...s tim da nisam nasla niti jedan izvor koji navodi losos od toliko mjeseci.
Citiraj:
Fish is an important food with growing evidence of
potential benefit. However, consumers may have difficulty
in distinguishing among several health messages
about fish consumption. Although strong data associate
cardiovascular disease prevention with increased fish
consumption, there are also concerns about potential
polycarbonate phenols (PCBs) and mercury contamination.
21,22 The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and
AHA stress that seafood is an important part of a healthy
diet and advocate consumption of a wide variety of
fish and shellfish. Current FDA recommendations with
regard to limiting fish intake pertain to women who
may become pregnant or are already pregnant, nursing
mothers, and young children. The FDA recommends
that people in those categories avoid shark, swordfish,
king mackerel, and tilefish because they contain high
levels of mercury. Five of the most commonly eaten
varieties of fish are low in mercury (shrimp, canned light
tuna, salmon, pollack, and catfish). The AHA continues
to recommend 2 servings of fish weekly.23
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org...;117/2/544.pdf
The methylmercury content of fish varies by species
and size of fish and harvest location. The top 10
commercial fish species (canned tuna, shrimp, pollock,
salmon, cod, catfish, clams, flatfish, crabs, and
scallops), which represent about 85% of the seafood
market, contain a mean mercury level of approximately
0.1 mg/g. Methylmercury has been used as a
fungicide on seed grains and is also an industrial
waste. When grain accidentally treated with a mercury
fungicide was eaten by people in Iraq during a
famine in the 1970s, mercury poisoning occurred in
hundreds of people.18
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org...;108/1/197.pdf
imam i ja problem kao momo. teško je naći informacije kada nešto početi dati djeci prvi put
evo da se i ja malo upetljam za slanutak i lecu kazu da su jaki alergeni narocito kod ljudi u mediteranskom podrucju. evo jedan sazetak, na zalost ne mogu for free doci do cijelog rada
dakle, leca i slanutak po ovome sto kasnijeCitiraj:
Clinical features of legume allergy in children from a Mediterranean area
BACKGROUND: Lentils, chickpeas, beans, and peas are the most common consumed legumes in the Mediterranean area. However, there is little information about allergy to these legumes. OBJECTIVES: To describe the clinical features of a Spanish pediatric population allergic to legumes (lentils, chickpeas, peas, white beans, and peanuts), to evaluate the clinical allergy to several legumes, and to determine which legume extract is most appropriate to use in the diagnosis of legume allergy by skin tests. METHODS: Fifty-four children with allergic reactions after exposure to legumes were studied. The diagnosis of legume allergy was confirmed by positive skin prick test results with legume extracts and food challenges or a recent convincing history of severe reactions. RESULTS: The onset of allergic reactions was at approximately the age of 2 years (median, 22 months). Skin prick test results were positive for at least 3 legumes in 38 children (70%). Positive results were more frequent to boiled extracts than to raw extracts in children with a positive oral challenge. Allergy to lentil was the most frequently diagnosed legume allergy (43 children [80%]), followed by allergy to chickpea (32 children [59%]). Oral challenges with more than 1 legume (median, 3 legumes) were positive in 37 children (69%). The most frequent induced symptoms on challenge were respiratory (rhinitis and/or asthma) and cutaneous. CONCLUSION: In this population, lentils and chickpeas are the legumes that cause most allergic reactions, clinical allergy to more than 1 legume is common, and boiled legume extracts are most appropriate to discriminate between allergic and tolerant sensitized children.
spajalica zanimljivo - ne bi se tome nadala iskreno receno pogotovo sto u Spanjolskoj jako puno jedu i lecu i slanutak ja sam se tamo naucila jesti slanutak.
Apricot, da prevedemo i ovo kao dodatak vec prevedenim info o slanutku?
Allergy to sesame seed inCitiraj:
Matilda prvotno napisa
infants
Y. Levy*, Y. L. Danon
Key
zakljucak je da ne kopiram cijeli clanak:
Our fndings indicate that allergy to
sesame seed is increasing in infants and
small children; therefore, sesame seed
should be added to the list of allergenic
foods in the frst year of life. Elimination of
sesame seed from the diet should be
considered in infants with atopic dermatitis
or atopic family history.
škampe,kozice, lignje, hobotnica,školjke i sl.
naravno sve friško ulovljeno.one smrznute stvari se ni ja nikada nisam usudila probati.
nadam se da je u pitanju prof.dr.sc.Sanja Kolaček, inače ...Citiraj:
amaranth prvotno napisa
ako smijem sugerirati,svi podaci koji su stariji od 2008.god. neće biti up to date,zato što su se u siječnju 2008.god.revidirale smjernice
inače, što?Citiraj:
princess puffy prvotno napisa
doktoricu koju smo odabrale nam je sugeriralo Hrvatsko pedijatrijsko društvo.