evo još jedan link, sastojci cjepiva, to obično dobro dođe...
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html
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evo još jedan link, sastojci cjepiva, to obično dobro dođe...
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html
Još jedan zanimljiv link:
http://www.nemacenzure.com/forum/vie...9d6dd9741c9442
Zanimljivo mi je da se kolju međusobno... :x
A i nismo jedini roditelji koji "šize":
http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=117890
dobro je vec da se pocelo "siziti". najgore je sto kad nekome i spomenete nesto o cjepljenju gleda te kao crnu vranu kao sta se o tome uopce ima razgovarati, kad je to samo po sebi razumljivo, dobro, neskodljivo, stiti od bolesti i amen
Dragi "plemenaši", u ovoj vašoj temi je toliko puno toga objavljeno što zahtijeva komentar jer je tek dijelom istina ili čak neistina.
Na žalost, Saradedevii mi je napisala neka se tu ne javljam, jer je to samo vaša tema.
Zato molim sve koji ste dovoljno otvoreni da čujete i drugu istinu, pogledate postove na temu Latinice i Worst case scenario za necijepljenje.
Ne mislim samo na svoje postove, već i na postove drugih Roda, jer vidim da ima puno onih koji su svjesni da postoji druga istina.
Jer uvijek ima više istina. Samo su neke malo veće, a neke malo manje.
Probajte.....
ubi nas ta "istina" svojim pipcima, ne dozvoljava niti jednoj drugoj da gukne...
:roll:
tc tc tc... sto se ne slusa....
http://www.kersti.de/VA021.HTM
zanimljiv link o najcescim argumentima ljudi protiv cjepljenja analizirani kriticki od osobe koja se postavlja neutralno i pokusava prokomentirati za i protiv njih.
tekst je ovakav i kasnije svaka pojedina tocka je zanimljiva:
Ein Beispiel für die Argumentation der Impfbefürworter
Der Artikel, auf den ich mich beziehe, wurde mir durch das Unternehmen Pasteur-Mérieux MSD GmbH als einer von zehn Artikeln und einem Kapitel eines Buches in Kopie zugeschickt und ist im 28. Jahrgang (1997) von "der kinderarzt" Nr. 5 S.543-547 unter dem Titel "Sechs häufige Argumente, die Impfgegner in der Praxis benutzen - und wie sie widerlegt werden können" von Dr. Ullrich Kunde erschienen. (Kunde schrieb, der Text wäre nur eine Übersetzung seiner Hauptquelle: "US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Immunisation Program (1996) "Six common misconceptions about vaccinations and how to respond to them". Ich hatte die Formulierung im übersetzten Artikel, daß dieser Text "als Grundlage dient" anders verstanden, zumal Kunde ausdrücklich mit voller Adresse als Autor genannt wurde. Er scheint sich auch selbst ausführlich mit Impfungen auseinandergesetzt zu haben: Kunde, U. "Masern Mumps und Co.". Verlag Wolfgang Kästner (vergriffen), Neuauflage im Eigendruck 1997.) Die Zwischenüberschriften des Artikels werden wörtlich hier als Zwischenüberschriften übernommen. Ich beziehe mich mit meiner Argumentation grundsätzlich nicht auf die Äußerungen von oberflächlich informierten Laien, da es nur logisch ist, daß die nicht gegen einen gutinformierten Fachmann andiskutieren können - selbst wenn sie im Grunde recht haben.
Den Artikel diskutiere ich hier, weil er auf den ersten Blick mehr Beweise zu enthalten scheint, als die anderen - Bitte den Links folgen.
These von Impfgegnern: "Krankheiten sind bereits verschwunden, bevor Impfstoffe eingeführt wurden, weil sich die Hygiene verbessert hat."
These von Impfgegnern: "Die Mehrheit der Menschen, die krank werden, ist bereits geimpft worden."
These von Impfgegnern: "Durch die Impfungen können gefährliche Krankheiten übertragen werden."
These von Impfgegnern: "Die Erkrankung ist weniger gefährlich als die Impfung, die auch noch Nebenwirkungen und Langzeitwirkungen, die wir noch nicht kennen, auslösen können."
These von Impfgegnern: "Durch Impfungen ausgelöschte Erkrankungen benötigen keine weiteren Auffrischungsimpfungen."
These von Impfgegnern: "Mehrfachimpfung bedeutet eine besonders große Belastung, führt zu einer Erhöhung der Nebenwirkungen durch Impfungen und überläd das Immunsystem."
Fazit aus dem Text:
Die oben aufgezählten Argumente habe ich in dieser Form nicht in den Büchern und Artikeln gutinformierter Impfgegner gefunden, kann mir aber vorstellen, daß ein Laie die mir bekannten Argumente in dieser Form falsch wiedergeben könnte.
Entweder kennt der Autor (wer immer das jetzt ist) die Argumente kompetenter Impfgegner nicht - oder er hat bewußt nur die von Laien widerlegt.
Im ersten Fall ist er eindeutig inkompetent, sie zu widerlegen. Man kann nur Argumente widerlegen, die man kennt. Dann hätte er darüber aber keinen Zeitschriftenartikel schreiben sollen, denn man sollte zumindestenst in Fachzeitschriften nicht über Dinge schreiben, von denen man keine Ahnung hat.
Im zweiten Fall ist sein Text irreführend, denn Leser werden annehmen, damit seien die Argumente gutinformierter Impfgegner widerlegt, nicht die verunsicherter Patienten.
Seine Kompetenz - oder Ehrlichkeit - bezüglich anderer Impfungen betreffender Fragen soll hier selbstverständlich nicht angezweifelt werden.
Ich möchte allerdings meinen, daß die Frage, ob der Nutzen der Impfungen den Schaden überwiegt, die wesentliche Frage bei Impfentscheidungen sein sollte. Deshalb würde es jedem Arzt, der Impfungen durchführt und Artikel oder Bücher darüber schreibt, gut anstehen, sich auch mit den Büchern der bekanntesten Impfgegner auseinanderzusetzen. Mir zumindest erscheint es sehr einseitig, eine Meinung über dieses Thema nur auf die Meinung der Befürworter von Impfungen aufzubauen.
Diese Kritik, die ich hier für diesen Artikel formuliert habe, trifft auf alle mir bekannten Artikel und Buchkapitel in denen Impfbefürworter Argumente von Impfgegnern zu widerlegen trachten zu: Widerlegt werden nicht die Originalargumente kompetenter Impfgegner sondern Abwandlungen davon, wie sie ein Laie nach dem ersten Lesen falsch wiedergegeben haben könnte.
Wenn nicht anders gesagt, beruht meine Argumentation auf dem Buch von Buchwald:
Buchwald, Dr. med. / Impfen - Das Geschäft mit der Angst
ne znam njemački :( , može prijevod?
može barem sažetak u prijevodu?
Čitam tako po forumu ponukana jučerašnjom latinicom da vidim kaj ljudi o svemu misle i stvarno nebi uletavala u ovu vašu spiku da nisam naletila na ovo.Citiraj:
Davor prvotno napisa
Tetanus je teška akutna ZARAZNA BOLEST, nije kontagiozna ali je zarazna. Clostridium tetani je ubikvitarni mikroorganizam kojeg se može naći u tlu i stvara spore koje mogu preživljavat godinama. Kad dodje do ozljede bakterija ulazi u organizam. Simptomi se bolesti očituju u paralizi živčanog sustava. Da, postoji antitoksin, ali što ako se dogodi da mi dijete padne sa bicikla negdje u zabiti i ne može odmah primiti antitoksin?
Antitoksin se i daje kod dubokih ozljeda, ali dijeca se cijepe baš iz razloga što se ozljeđuju češće!
Ja ne želim sama prosuđivati je li neka dijetetova ozljeda pogodna za razvoj Clostridija ili ne, a oni koji to žele prvo nek se pošteno informiraju o ovoj bolesti!
Evo me natrag ovdje.
Sve nas je prilično iscrpila haranga oko Latinice i baterije su još uvijek na punjenju. Nema veze, idemo dalje.
Događaju se zanimljive novosti, a kako dolaze tako ću ih podijeliti ovdje. Trenutno je aktualan debakl meningokokne vakcine koju su na živo testirali na bebama u Novom Zelandu. Poučno je promatrati razvoj događaja ovako na daljinu. Slijede popularno pisani članci:
Svakako pročitati: Chiron Dumps MeNZB Vaccine Trialled In NZ
Na članak su reagirali proizvođači: Feedback: Novartis Responds To MeNZB Report
A nekakav nastavak je ovdje: Meningococcal Death Rate Increases Since MeNZB?
Svemu je prethodilo ovo: Norway plans review into vaccine claims, a ispada da su i Norvežani tek sada pohvatali konce.
Unatoč očiglednom, raja i dalje puši ovo: Meningitis Trust supports MoH immunisation ad
za one kojima je promaklo...
http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=31379
evo me. i meni je nedostajao ovaj nas dio svjeta.
idem citati Davore.
MamaJu vidjela sam taj topik ali sam copirala da citam u miru svog doma sada sam na posao.
Oprez s tamiflu-om!
Ispada da djeca mogu ćudno reagirati na njega:
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/health/155849
ovo je sa stranice bugarske novine - tema tamiflu
http://www.standartnews.com/bg/artic...article=168007 ima i englesku verziju, kaze da tamiflu vodi do halucinacije.
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dosla sam do ovo nakon linka koji je dao Davor, pa sam malo istrazivala sta ima za tamiflu na kirilicnom govornom podracju. Malo mi je senzacionalisticki clanak, ali jos istrazujem.
ne znam da li se spominjalo ali ako nije - www.tinussmits.com sve o postvakcinacijskom sindromu
ne znam da li se spominjalo ali ako nije - www.tinussmits.com - sve o postvakcinacijskom sindromu
Ja bih dala jednu ideju. Buduci da je vrlo sporno koliko djece godisnje umre ili ima posljedice od cjepljenja, te isto sa odraslima, zasto ne napraviti mali popis. Recimo svatko od nas uzme malu biljeznicu i u sljedecih mjesec, tri, sest, nije bitno razgovara sa svima oko sebe, poznatim nepoznatima, ljudima na ulici, u skoli, itd. i zapise ukratko i sto se desilo. Ako ne pitamo, necemo nikada znati!
Pa onda na kraju usporedimo, valjda cemo dobiti neku brojku. Ova mi je ideja pala na pamet neki dan kad sam bila u frizerskom, kad je do mene zena pricala kako se je razbolila od gripe iako je cjepljena. A onda u istom danu ispred trgovine zena prica kako su se svi njeni razbolili uzasno, opet iako su bili cjepljeni. Jucer razgovaram sa bakom malog 15-mjesecnog djecaka koji ima napadaje (nesto kao epilepsija), uzasno za vidjeti, i djecak je na teskim drogama. Od cega, nitko ne zna!
Vjerovatno cemo nesto i novo uvidjeti i nauciti iz raznih primjera, npr. najgora cjepiva, znakovi da nesto nije u redu itd. Sto mislite?
By Christine Colebeck
Today is my daughter's sweet 16th birthday but we will not be celebrating. Instead I will light a candle and when I blow it out I will make a wish in my daughter's memory. My wish is for all mothers worldwide, that you will educate yourselves and that you make informed choices so that you may prevent unnecessary tragedy and be spared from my pain.
Laura's Story
After 41 weeks of pregnancy, on July 27th, 1986, a perfect and healthy little baby, Laura Marie, made her entrance into the world. We were welcomed home by family and friends anxiously waiting to meet the new family member. They showered her with so many beautiful, little tiny, pink dresses, we joked that she would never be able to wear them all in one lifetime.
Our lives changed completely and now revolved around stroller walks in the park, visiting friends, changing diapers, night feedings and shopping for more little pink dresses. We were parents now, we had a family and life was absolutely perfect.
I took Laura for several baby check-ups at the pediatrician. She was a kind and gentle older woman. At 3 months old, the pediatrician was very pleased with Laura's development and weight gain and vaccinated her with DPT OPV. I didn't even question her, I knew that all my friend's babies had this same vaccine and "all good mothers" vaccinated their children to protect them. I left the pediatrician's office and walked home.
Laura was very fussy, which was unusual. She was crying loudly all the way home in the stroller. When we got home, I realized she had urinated so heavily she wet everything in the stroller. Then her cry turned into screaming and she developed a fever, her leg was very swollen and red, and felt hot. I called the pediatrician who told me this was "normal" and to give her Tempra. I gave her baby Tempra and I felt better, the pediatrician had assured me this was normal.
Laura continued to scream and I could no longer console her. My every instinct told me this was not normal but I was young with my first child and trusted the doctor. I could not hold Laura in my arms because she screamed louder as any movement of her leg seemed to cause her terrible pain. I put her in the swing and she cried herself to sleep. I was so relieved, the Tempra was working and the doctor must have been right. I began to feel silly for all my worrying. A short time later, Laura woke up screaming and spent the evening screaming and sleeping on and off.
She had no appetite and nothing made her stop crying. Finally it was bedtime and she cried in her crib, until she fell asleep. She had never cried herself to sleep before and I felt very bad for letting her but if I held her, she screamed louder. My husband came home from work and I told him about everything that had happened that day. Laura was sleeping soundly in her crib and we were both relieved that she seemed to be feeling better and decided not to worry... I should have worried.
In the morning I awoke and was startled to realize my husband had slept in for work. I immediately knew something was wrong and the worry from the previous night came rushing back to me. I quickly ran to her crib, with a feeling of dread. She did not look right. I closed my eyes tight and opened them again, and considered the possibility that this was a dream, but when I opened my eyes she looked dead.
I went into shock and after that, much of this day remains a blur. I touched her and she was very warm. I screamed for my husband to call 911.
I watched as he performed CPR, my body was frozen and I couldn't move. He tried to revive our child to no avail. He was shouting for me to open the door for the paramedics, I was temporarily jolted back to reality and I went and opened the door. I could now move but couldn't speak. I just stood there numbly shaking my head, feeling completely helpless as dozens of paramedics, police and firemen rushed past me into our home. I didn't cry, and I wanted to scream at them to leave her alone but I couldn't speak. She was on the floor and they were shocking her tiny body, in the little bedroom with the yellow painted walls and clown wallpaper. I stood there praying in my head that they would just leave her alone, that they would get out of her bedroom and that I would wake up from this horrible dream.
Then I heard someone saying there was a faint pulse and I suddenly felt hopeful. She was rushed from the house in an ambulance. It was then that the homicide detectives led us into another room and the interrogation began.
They decided that my husband and I needed to be questioned in separate rooms. I immediately realized they suspected that we had done this to our child. We all know that perfect children do not suddenly die for no reason. I was silent, I had already decided in my own mind that this was somehow all my fault and although I wasn't quite sure what I had done to kill her, I was convinced that I had somehow caused this to happen. Perhaps, I was being punished by god for a sin or perhaps it happened because I had let her cry herself to sleep that night. The fact remained that my child was dead and "good mothers" do not have dead children.
My husband began to protest loudly about the line of questioning and he demanded we be taken immediately to the hospital, to see our child. The detectives finally took us to the hospital and put us in the "bad news room." The doctor came and insisted we sit down before he spoke to us. He began telling us that they had tried this and that and then finally he said the words that would echo in my ears for a lifetime:
"She is dead."
The pediatrician whom I so respected and adored broke down and cried when I gave her the news on the phone. She went back and forth defending the vaccine that she was told was safe, and blaming it for killing my child and those who told her it was safe.
She then told me that she also had another patient, an infant boy, die after this same vaccination.
Then the detectives took us home for more questions, often repeating the same questions several times until they grew tired of asking them. The questions constantly centered around our involvement, then they searched the house and checked for signs of forced entry. My husband repeatedly told them that he thought the vaccine had killed our child and told them over and over about her unusual behavior since she was vaccinated.
Everyone we knew arrived at our house. I made coffee and tidied the house, like it was any other day and we were having "guests". Shock is a strange and wonderful thing and of course you don't know you are in it.
My parents finally insisted on taking me to their house for a few days, while my husband and his friends had the horrendous task of packing up the nursery because I couldn't stand to look at it any longer. The room I had so lovingly made was now empty and a source of great pain.
Several days later, after the funeral and the tiny white coffin that was so small my husband carried it alone, I finally came out of shock and allowed myself to cry a river. I cried for all the things I would never do with my daughter. All the ballet classes I would never take her to, the wedding I would never attend, the grandchildren I would never know and all the dreams I would never realize with her. I cried for all that was and all that would never be. There was an emptiness inside of me that threatened to swallow me up whole, as I fell into the depths of grief during the darkest days of my life.
The detectives eventually became satisfied that we had not harmed our daughter in any way and the investigation into her death ended. We were then left without answers.
The doctors did not want to talk about her death being related in any way to the vaccine and, one after the other, refused to answer our many questions. I was repeatedly told that vaccines were for "the greater good." I was even told that loss of life through immunization was "expected" in the war against disease but these losses were considered to be at "acceptable" levels. However, this did not feel very acceptable or good to me as a mother with empty arms that ached for my child. The coroner finally told us months later that the cause of death was determined to be "SIDS" (sudden infant death syndrome), meaning "no known cause," and refused to release a copy of the autopsy report to us.
It took almost a year for us to obtain this report and to our great horror, we realized that the autopsy summery was copied directly from the vaccine product monograph under the heading "Contraindications" as follows:
"Sudden infant death syndrome has been reported following administration of vaccines containing Diphtheria, tetanus toxoids, and pertussis vaccine. However, the significance of these reports is not clear. One common factor is the age where primary immunization was done between the age of 2 to 6 months, a period where most sudden infant death syndromes are found to occur with a peak incidence being at 2 to 4 months."
There was no toxicology testing performed and the pediatrician never filed an adverse vaccine reaction report with health authorities. I later learned that most vaccine-induced deaths in this country are listed as SIDS and SIDS statistics are NOT included in vaccine adverse reaction data, even if a child dies only a few hours after receiving inoculation. This data is presented to physicians and the public to reassure them that vaccines are safe.
The government's own literature advises that there has been little or no testing in the area of vaccine safety or efficacy. Essentially, our children are the test. According to their literature, immunization is "the most cost effective" way to prevent disease. Nowhere in their literature does it claim to be the safest. We are trading our children's lives to save the government money. We are told that the benefits outweigh the risks but many of the diseases that we vaccinate for are not even life threatening; however, the vaccine itself has the potential to kill.
Vaccines kill at a much higher rate than we are led to believe. We play vaccine roulette with our children's lives and we never know which child will fall victim next.
If the odds are 1 in 500 thousand for death, 1 in 100 thousand for permanent brain injury, 1 in 1700 for seizures and convulsions or 1 in 100 for adverse reaction, are you willing to take that chance? Are any odds acceptable enough to convince you to gamble with your child's life?
I can assure you that death from vaccination is neither quick nor painless. I helplessly watched my daughter suffer an excruciatingly slow death as she screamed and arched her back in pain, while the vaccine did as it was intended to do and assaulted her immature immune system. The poisons used as preservatives seeped through her tiny body, overwhelming her vital organs one by one until they collapsed. It is an image that will haunt me forever and I hope no other parent ever has to witness it.
A death sentence considered too inhumane for this county's most violent criminals was handed down to my beautiful, innocent, infant daughter, death by lethal injection.
Today, on my daughter's birthday, I will grieve not only for the loss of my own child but for all the innocent children for which the benefits of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and are unnecessarily sentenced to death by lethal injection, under the guise of "the greater good." The true war is not against disease; we have somehow become our own worst enemy by putting our faith in science instead of nature. Today, I call on all mothers across the world to join me in putting an end to this senseless slaughter of our most precious resource, our children.
Istinita prica jedne majke..
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Please share Laura's story with friends and family members who plan on having children in the coming years.
To learn more about the potential dangers of vaccines, I recommend that you visit a Canadian site called the Vaccine Risk Awareness Network
If you would like to write to Christine Colebeck, her e-mail address is: ccolebeck at rogers.com. Please replace "at" with an @ symbol.
priča je :cry: ....
naišla sam i na ove stranice Association of American Physicians and Surgeons:
http://www.aapsonline.org/
http://www.aapsonline.org/vaccines/aapsopp.htm
http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/vaccine.htm
evo nešto shttp://www.vran.org/news-art/articles/need-know.pdfCitiraj:
VRAN - Vaccination Risk Awareness Network is a not-for-profit educational society. Formed in response to growing parental concern regarding the safety of current vaccination programs in Canada.
Trebam info - čeka nas revakcinacija s diteper (inaktivirani per.) -opv cjepivom (već kasnimo, skoro ima 5 godina) - kakve su opasnosti od nuspojava u toj dobi?
Priča je inače grozna. Da sad imam bebu, mislim da bi odgodila cijepljenje bar do 6 mjeseci.
Svakako inzistirati na inaktiviranom pertusisu - po novom kalendaru zadnja doza ide s cjelostaničnim (!?), a sa svakom slijedećom dozom se vjerojatnost reakcije povećava. Nekakav deadline za pertusis je 5 godina, upravo radi reakcija. U kasnijoj dobi zbog toga daju DT.
zika, trazi DiTe. Davor ima pravo za reakcije.
vidim da svi pisu da se komponenta Pertusisa ne daje poslije 5. godine zbog reakcija, madjutim kad sam konkretno to pitanje postavila na cybermedu dr. richter je odgovorio da to nije zbog reakcija nego zato sto tada hripavac vise nije tako opasan. e sad se zapravo pitam zasto on to tako kaze, jer svjesno ne zeli "plasiti" ljude grdim reakcijama (jer ioanko kad spomenem nuspojave svi se nasmiju i kazu ma nista vam to nije) ili.......
pa i ijedno i drugo je tocan odgovor. hripavac je opasan samo za male bebe. a nakon 5.-te godine cjepivo ima puuuuno jace reakcije nego ranije.
ma da to sam i ja mislila, samo nekako mi se nije svidjelo da jedan dr nije htio reci da je to zbog rekacija vec je kao jedini razlog naveo to da vise nije opasan. kad se svugdje moze procitati da su nakon 5. godine reakcije gadne
Nema šanse da dobije obični, moja pedijatrica onima koji su do sad bili na inaktiviranom (Luka je neurorizičan pa je bio) i dalje daje taj. Evo danas pitala sestru, imaju cjepivo, sutra idemo to odraditi kad je već doma na praznicima. Nije do sad imao nikakve reakcije na to cjepivo.
Zika jel cijepite DiTe ili DiTePer?
bas sam ja htjela pitati.
Cijepili smo se, di te per, infanrix, da sam pričekala još mjesec i pol bilo bi samo di te... (mlotek smajli). Opv nije bio, ni hib, ne idu sad.
Dva sata nakon cijepljenja javlja mi teta čuvalica da mu curi nos... grrrr... sad ne znam da li je od cijepljenja, ili je nešto friško uhvatio, ili zato što mu je malo upaljeno oko od jučer (vjerojatno pokupio od mene).
Ja sam na mukama :(
Taman sam se ponadala da smo mirni do skole, i onda me Nika podsjeti da kasnimo s cjepljenjem.. Pucat sam si u nogu htjela od muke.
Al ne bi to bilo tak problematicno da ne planiramo ovih dana upisati limu u vrtic. I sad fakat pojma nemam sto cu. Gradski vrtic je u pitanju i znam da su nemilosrdni sto se cjepljenja tice. Pedijatrica je isto pro-cjepljenje, i sumnjam da ce nam dati potvrdu ak ne bi cijepili sa svim komponentama di-te-per.
Per zelim izbjeci pod svaku cijenu, Di bi jos mogla progutati, idealno bi bilo da ga cijepimo samo sa Te (MM se slozio s tom varijantom). I sad, kakve su mi sanse da se izvucem na to da smo blizu 5 godina (mislim, sad smo 4, nije to tak daleko od 5 :mrgreen: ) pa da izbjegnemo cijepljenje sa Per. To stvarno al stvarno zaista ne zelim. Jel moguce uopce cijepiti samo za Tetanus (pretpostavljam da ima takvo cjepivo, ne vidim zasto ne bi bilo)?
Sto uopce u gradskim vrticima traze - knjizicu cjepljenja ili samo potvrdu od doktora da je dijete cjepljeno?
Ajte pomazite, fakat nemam pojma kak da se iscupam iz ovog :no:
postoji registrirano cjepivo samo za tetanus, mislim da je Smokica time cijepila svoju kćer.Citiraj:
Jel moguce uopce cijepiti samo za Tetanus (pretpostavljam da ima takvo cjepivo, ne vidim zasto ne bi bilo)?
mislim da ti to sve skupa previše ovisi o pojedinom vrtiću i pedijatru a da bi ti netko sa strane mogao dati savjet koji će vama koristiti.
recimo klmama je normalno upisala dijete koje nije bilo cijepljeno nečim(mislim MopaRu), uz pismenu izjavu o preuzimanju odgovornosti.
najbolje bi bilo nekako pronjuškati kako se taj konkretan vrtić odnosi prema tome.
za ped. ne vidim razloga da bi radila beš neke velike probleme oko toga što ne biste cijepili protiv per.
za njega već vrapci na grani znaju da je najproblematičnija komponenta tog cjepiva (ako zanemarimo aditive) i da su šanse za reakciju tim veće što je dijete starije.
osim toga, to je vaša odluka.
više je upitno kako će se vrtić tu postaviti.
i privatni vrtići imaju zapravu sliučnu politiku, ali su ipak neki znatno fleksibilniji od drugih.
Anchie, je li do sad cijepljen s običnim ili inaktiviranim (infanrix)pertusisom do sad? Meni je prvo bilo krivo što je dobio, a sad si opet mislim, nije to tak loše, jer pertusisa ipak ima po Zagrebu (po školama u principu, ali klinci u vrtiću imaju i stariju braću/sestre). A ovaj moj tak kašlje u svakoj banalnoj prehladi da bi s p. sigurno završio u bolnici.
Iza 5 godina se ne cijepi jer se računa da p. više nije tako opasan. Iako je zapravo dosta čest u školskoj dobi, Ameri planiraju (ili su već i počeli?) docijepljivati i stariju djecu. Infanrix ne radi reakciju ni iza 5 godine. Možda da isposluješ to cijepivo, pa vuk sit i koza cijela... njega imaju u ambulantama, s njim se cijepe neurorizična djeca, ne plaća se ako ima indikacije.
s ovim se ne mogu složit. reakcija ima uvijek.Citiraj:
Infanrix ne radi reakciju ni iza 5 godine.
osim toga, nije samo da se s Per nakon 5. g. ne cijepi zbog incidencije, nego i zbog češćih burnih reakcija.
Mene zanima u kojim se cijepivima nalazi fenol (phenol,carbolic acid).
Nekako sam sumnjala na BSG ,ali nikako ne mogu naći njegov točan sastav.Molim pomoć ,ako netko zna.