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http://www.mercola.com/article/vacci...void_shots.htm
Ovo je ono sto bih ja zeljela vidjeti u Hrvatskoj. Dogodine ide mladji u vrtic, pa me zanima kako bih mogla izbjeci sve neugode oko toga, jer ga ne namjeravam uopce vise cjepiti. Zadnji put je bilo kad je bio godinu dana. Sad je skoro 5.
Evo jos jedna stranica, sve je na Engleski ali ako nekom treba prevod, samo se javite...http://drcarley.com/
Najvjerovatnije selimo u Hrv na ljeto, ali me sad stvarno u detalje zanima sto biste vi ucinili ako ne zelite da vam tamo cjepe djecu. Imate li kakve savjete sto da ucinim, kako da se postavim? Koje su mi trenutno zakonske mogucnosti? Mladji ide u vrtic a stariji u cetvrti.
Hvala!
hellou
mozemo vam se pridruziti?
mi smo, nazalost, cijepili prvu turu imunizacije, a tek sad postali svjesni da je to zapravo glupost koju nismo trebali napraviti.
zao mi je kao psu sto nisam bila hrabra i odustala od cijepljenja na pocetku.
al nadam se da sad nije kasno :?
sto vi mislite?
jel kasno da odustanemo?
kaj vi pricate o osnovnom cijepljenju??? bejb ti upoce vise ne zelis cijepiti svoju djecu??? ja razumijem sumlje u vodene kozice il takove neke bolesti kojima je mozda bolje sam sagraditi imunitet, al zar ti govoris o osnovnom cijepljenju??? meningitis, pertusis, mumps i to?? ja nisam uznapredovala do tog stadija da bih bila totalno protiv toga.... posebno ne bih to radila kao test na svom djetetu!
jos uvijek nisam sigurna da sam vas dobro skuzila!?
sajkomum, da, uopce ne bi cijepila svoju curicu
Da, i ja uopce ne bih vise cjepila svoje djecake. Nema sanse! SAmo da procitas sastojke tih cjepiva, onda ih ne bi gledala kao nesto Bogom poslano, vec kao jedan obicni mix kemije i toksicnih suptanci. Neke od sastojkaka:human albumin (sto svi dobro znamo sto je!!), fetal bovine serum (serum sakupljen od fetusa krave), neomycin (antibiontic), monkey kidney cells, formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal (48.6% ziva), sorbitol, phenol, MSG itd.
http://opposingdigits.com/vaccines/
Ja jednostavno ne mogu zamisliti da oni kad ubiju kravu u klaonici, malo tele je jos zivo i oni ga zivog rezu, naravno za "medicinske potrebe" i ova nasa cjepiva!! A i ne mogu zamisliti da tekucina u kojoj inace u medicini koriste za drzanje mrtvih djelova tjela, zaba za seciranje ili drugog lesa da se ne raspadne, i da oni to ubrizgavaju u tjelo moje djece!!?? Ma nema sanse!
marilu, :klap:
kaj da vam kazem?! kaj ste pripadnice neke sekte? ja se ne bih usudila eksperimentirati sa svojim djetetom iako vjerujem da vi mislite da to radim ja sa svojim... istom puno se dulje cijepe djeca i manja je smrtnost sada nego prije... mislim da ste u velikoj manjini i da ste friske... u svakom slucaju vas odabir i sretno! il bolje sretno djeci!
:lol:
... da smo friske ...
Mislim da si u totalnoj zabludi. Prije gudinu dana kad mi je curica bila hospitalizirana zbog komplikacija na MPR budući da je dobila parotitis upravo iz doze (moje laičko objašnjenje). Tri tjedna nakon doze, završavamo na hospitalizaciji dugoj 18 dana gdje je potvrđeno da je njeno stanje izazvano MPR-om.Citiraj:
sajkomum prvotno napisa
Naravno da od tada nisam eksperimentirala te ju prepustila riziku od nove takve hospitalizacije.
Ne moram ni govoriti kako joj je ta komplikacija na MPR uništila imunitet koji još nismo uspjeli vratiti.
Ne mogu vjerovati da nisi već čula za našu sektu!Citiraj:
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Mi ti dojimo, da DOJIMO jadnu dječicu i ne dajemo im antibiotike ni D vitamin ni željezo ni KinderPingui, sirotani mali. Sve smo redom iznimno neuke i vjerujemo u gluposti kao što su prirodno stečen imunitet i takoto.
Nazivamo se Sektom veselih kokoši, red Necjepulja. Wanna join? :)
Lunna rocco napisa:
Cool!! Već sam odavno pripadnik...svojim 'veselim' kokodakanjem želim samo potvrditi pripadnost istoj...Kokodak!!!Citiraj:
Nazivamo se Sektom veselih kokoši, red Necjepulja. Wanna join?
Luna :lol: :lol:
Luna Rocco
PA DOJIM I JA!!! eto vec 15 mjeseci ni ja ne dajem antibiotike jer NIKADA NIJE BOLESTAN al dajem D vitamin jer je 86 cm i 13 kg iako sam provela 6 proljetno ljetno jesenih mjeseci na moru....
ALI PRI PORODU SE ZARAZIO GBSOM I DOBIO SEPSU... DA JA TO NISAM NA VRIJEME UOČILA I DA DOKTORICA ODMAH AL ODMAH NIJE KRENULA U TERAPIJU PENBRITINOM DAKLEM ANTIBIOTIKOM ORSAT BI BIO MRTAV
STOGA MOLIM BEZ DA OPROSTIŠ SRANJA
A REDOVITO JE POCIJEPLJEN ZABOGA TAKO SMO SE RJEŠILI NAJGORIH MOGUĆIH BOLESTI KOJE SU SVIJETOM HARAPE U EPIDEMIJAMA I OD KOJIH SE UMIRALO!!!
ja se smatram skoro pa više od svim pripadnicom VESELIH KOKOŠI iako sam za cijepljenje, posebno jer sam bez kapi mlijeka 14 dana sama sebe izdajala i stvorila toliko da je Orsat mogao kad je stigao iz inkubatora povući sam sa svih svojih 5 kg po rodjenju i sisati još sad!!!
Mislim da si u totalnoj zabludi. Prije gudinu dana kad mi je curica bila hospitalizirana zbog komplikacija na MPR budući da je dobila parotitis upravo iz doze (moje laičko objašnjenje). Tri tjedna nakon doze, završavamo na hospitalizaciji dugoj 18 dana gdje je potvrđeno da je njeno stanje izazvano MPR-om.Citiraj:
babyiris prvotno napisa
Naravno da od tada nisam eksperimentirala te ju prepustila riziku od nove takve hospitalizacije.
naravno da se takove stvari desavaju, cijepiva izazivaju bolest u maloj količini, u biti, zato ne trube bez veze da dijete treba biti zdravo, da bolesna djeca ne dolaze pediću kada zdrava imaju cijepljenje, da se pocijepljeno ne vodi medju djecu par dana nakon i kako već.... medjutim reakcija zna biti uz sve mjere predostožnosti.... ali nekako ih ima sve manje i manje, kaj nije to bolje nego da se nitko ne cijepi uopće pa da imamo epidemije il pandemije raznih drekarija kako su ih imali nekada
da se razumijemo ja jesam da se stekne imunitet prirodno za sve što kada boluješ ne može izazvati trajne posljedice il smrt djeteta (kozice, recimo)
da ga ne cijepim protiv rubeole il magarećeg kašlja... kaj mislite da je sve to iskorjenjeno??? vraga staroga!!! neg ga ostavim da prirodno sakuplja imunitet!? NENE, hvala
da za vrijeme meningitisa zabranim doktoru da mu da antibiotik jer je testiran na mladim kravicama il kaj vec veli marinela!??? a joj!!!???
p.s. poštujem tvoju zabludu upućenu meni, hihihi
al NENE HVALA NE NA MOJEM DJETETU, JA SVOJE CIJEPIM!!!
a kud je ovo otišlo, ovo nije više ni rasprava, ni djeljenje savjeta, već jedno obično veliko prepucavanje.
baš ružno.
istina rinama. al kad ti netko napise nesto ovako:
onda bas i ne dozivis to kao nesto ozbiljno. vec je jednom ova rasprava isla u pravcu "ja cijepim svoje dijete jer ga volim" iz ceg se odma moze izvuc zakljucak da ja onda svoje ne volim... i meni se taj pravac ne svidja. zato cu ignorirat i sajkomam i njen strah od rubeole....Citiraj:
da ga ne cijepim protiv rubeole il magarećeg kašlja... kaj mislite da je sve to iskorjenjeno??? vraga staroga!!! neg ga ostavim da prirodno sakuplja imunitet!? NENE, hvala
Ne znam za vas, ali meni kad netko na gomilu argumenata koji govore o štetnosti cjepiva napiše da sam, zato što ne cijepim dijete, sektašica, automatski gubim volju za nekom konstruktivnom raspravom. Zato sam i okrenula na sprdačinu. Ponekad nema smisla potezati argumente po milijarditi put.
Ovako se možeš razgovarati s nekim tko će si to dopustiti. Ja ti neću replicirati dok ne obuzdaš jezik.Citiraj:
sajkomum prvotno napisa
Luna ja te skroz kuzim, samo mi se cini da jednostavno neke postove treba preskocit. Ko da ih nema.
hvala
ma ljudi, sve ok, ko hoće nek cijepi, al zašto PRISILJAVATI onoga tko to ne želi???
Upravo tako, zasto prisiljavati one koji to ne zele i plasiti ih i davati im uzasan osjecaj krivnje, kao da smo mi neki losi roditelji koji (sekta mos mislit), cudaci, ne volimo svoju djecu itd. ili u najmanju ruku smo neiskusni, naivni, i tako tim redom.Citiraj:
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A sto jos najvise nema smisla je da vecina roditelja ama bas nista ne zna o cjepivima, sastojcima, statistici, nuspojavama i kako se nositi s tim, a vecina onih koji odlucu ne cjepiti djecu su ti koji su procitali o cjepivima sto se da procitati! Eto to mi nema smisla.
Besides introducing foreign proteins and even live viruses into the bloodstream, each vaccine has its own preservative, neutralizer and carrying agent, none of which are indigenous to the body. For instance, the triple antigen, DPT, which is the Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus vaccine, contains the following poisons: Formaldehyde, Mercury, and aluminum phosphate, and that's from the Physician's Desk Reference, 1980. The packet insert accompanying the vaccine, lists the following poisons: aluminum potassium sulfate, a mercury derivative called Thimersol and sodium phosphate. The packet insert for the polio vaccine lists monkey kidney cell culture, lactalbumin hydrozylate, antibiotics and calf serum. The packet insert for the MMR vaccine produced by Merck Sharp and Dhome which is for measles, mumps and rubella lists chick embryo and neomycin, which is a mixture of antibiotics.
Now chick embryo, monkey kidney cells and calf serum are all foreign proteins which are biological substances composed of animal cells which because they enter directly into the bloodstream can become part of our genetic material. They can become part of our genetic material, folks, remember that, it's going to be important later. These foreign proteins, as well as other carriers and reaction products of a vaccine are potential allergens and can produce anaphylactic shock. Folks, anaphylactic shock is a nice word for brain damage. Reading on...
Another problem with vaccines is that they go directly into the bloodstream without filtering by the liver. Dr. William Albrecht tells us the following, "If you take water into your system as a drink, it goes into your bloodstream directly from the stomach, but if you take in fats, they move in through your lymphatic system. When you take other substances like carbohydrates and proteins, they go into the intestines and from there are passed into the liver as the body's chemical filter. Before they go out into the blood and circulate in the body. Most of your vaccination serums and proteins are not filtered by the liver, consequently vaccinations can be a terrific shock to the system. Injections of foreign substances like viruses, toxins and foreign proteins into the blood stream via vaccinations, have been associated with diseases and disorders to the blood, brain, nervous system and skin. Rare diseases such as atypical measles and monkey fever as well as such well- known disorders as premature aging, allergies, etc. have been associated with vaccines. Also linked to immunizations are such well-known diseases as cancer, leukemia, paralysis, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, and sudden infant death syndrome."
Folks, I'm not making this up. This is mostly out of Physician's Desk Reference, 1980, and Organic Consumer Reports of 1977.
Now, let me tell you some of the effects of vaccinations that the medical profession admits to as expected side effects of various vaccines, again from Walene James' book. The insert for the DTP vaccine, which is for Diphtheria, Pertussis and Tetanus, under side effects and adverse reactions are listed the following:
Severe temperature elevations 105 degrees or higher.
Collapse with rapid recovery.
Collapse followed by prolonged prostration in shock-like state.
Screaming episodes.
Isolated convulsions with or without fever.
Frank encephalopathy, which is brain damage, with changes in the level of consciousness, focal neurological signs, convulsions with or without permanent neurological and/or mental deficit.
Nice big words,folks, but it's talking about brain damage, shock and severe temperature.
The occurrence of sudden infant death syndrome, which is SIDS, that's the acronym, has been reported following the DPT vaccine. Now, the whooping cough vaccine which is a component in the DPT vaccine has such a high percentage of neurological complications, including death, that several physicians have decided not to give it at all.
And that is quoting Dr. Robert Mendelsohn. He goes on to say, Dr. Edward B. Shaw, a distinguished university of California physician has stated in the Journal of the American Medical Association in March, 1975, "I doubt that the decrease in pertussis is due to the vaccine, which itself is a very poor antigen, and an extremely dangerous one, with many very serious complications."
Reading on from Walene James' book: "A recent study at UCLA estimates that as many as 1 in every 13 children had persistent, high-pitched crying after the DTP shot. This may be indicative of brain damage in the recipient child," says Dr. Bobby Young. And later on he says, "You know, we start off with healthy infants, and we pop them not once, but three or four times with a vaccine. The probability of causing damage is the same each time. My greatest fear is that very few of them escape some kind of neurological damage out of this."
An even more recent figure on the reaction to the DTP vaccine indicates that 1 in every 100 children react with convulsions or collapse or high-pitched screaming. One out of every 3 of these, that is 1 out of every 300 will remain permanently damaged. Now, according to the testimony of the Assistant Secretary of Health, Edward Grant, Jr., before the u.S. Senate Committee on May 3rd, 1985, every year 35,000 children suffer neurological damage because of the DTP vaccine. Bet your doctor didn't tell you that, folks. It just makes you wonder why he never told you this, doesn't it. It also makes you want to run out and get your kids vaccinated, doesn't it? Well, it gets worse.
Here are some of the long term effects of vaccines. This brings us to perhaps the most serious charge against vaccination, the subtle long-term effects. And again, I'm reading from Walene James' book.
Evidence suggests that immunizations damage the immune system itself. By focusing exclusively on increased antibody production, which is only one aspect of the immune process, immunizations isolate dysfunction and allow it to substitute for the entire immune response, because vaccines trick the body so that it will no longer initiate a generalized response. They accomplished what the entire immune system seems to have been evolved to prevent. That is, they place the virus directly into the blood and give it access to the major immune organs and tissues without any obvious way of getting rid of it.
The long-term persistence of viruses and other foreign proteins within the cells of the immune system has been implicated in a number of chronic and degenerative diseases. In 1976 Dr. Robert Simpson of Rutgers university addressed science writers at a seminar of the American Cancer Society, and pointed out the following. "Immunization programs against flu, measles, mumps, polio and so forth may actually be seeding humans with RNA to form latent pro viruses in cells throughout the body. These latent pro viruses could be molecules in search of diseases, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, lupus, Parkinson's disease, and perhaps cancer."
Remember that, folks, seeding humans with RNA to form latent pro viruses in cells throughout the body. That's important. Moving on...
Live viruses, the primary antigenic material of vaccines, (don't be scared by antigenic, folks, it just means any agent that will stimulate antibody production) the primary antigenic material of vaccines, which are live viruses, are capable of surviving or remaining latent in the host cell for years, without provoking acute disease. They attach their own genetic material as an extra particle or episome to the chromosomes of the host cell and replicate along with it. This allows the host cell to continue its own normal functions for the most part, but imposes on it additional instructions for the synthesis of viral proteins. This presence of antigenic material in the host cell can not fail to provoke auto immune phenomenon, such as herpes, shingles, warts, tumors, both benign and malignant, and diseases of the central nervous system such as various forms of paralysis and inflammation of the brain.
So what we're actually talking about here, folks, is viral genetic material being incorporated into your cells, and laying the groundwork for auto immune diseases. And we're going to get into this right now. Reading on...
If the components of the immune system were designed to help the organism discriminate self from non-self as a number of researchers believe, then latent viruses, auto immune phenomenon and cancer would seem to represent different aspects of chronic immune failure, wherein the immune system cannot recognize its own cells as unambiguously its own, or eliminate parasites as unequivocally foreign. By the same token, we might say that the inability of the immune system to distinguish between harmful and harmless substances in the environment, such as allergies, constitutes another aspect of chronic immune failure.
Folks, what they're saying here is that vaccines encourage chronic immune failure, by virtue of the genetic material that you get shot up into your bloodstream whenever you get vaccinated.
The well-known author, lecturer and health activist, Betty Lee Morales, writes that her parents who were naturopathic doctors predicted 50 years ago that cancer would be epidemic in her lifetime as a result of mass vaccinations.
Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, who is an authority on vaccinations, and truly one of the most heroic medical doctors in this century... [Because he is telling the truth]... extends this idea when he says, "I think that most of the degenerative diseases are going to be shown to be due to x-rays, drugs and polluted food, additives, preservatives, and immunizations. With all of our discoveries about the effects on the human body of ingesting substances not found in nature, one thing we ought to know by now, is that many of these toxins, and vaccinations are toxins by definition, kill slowly, or kill only after the lapse of significant periods of time.
And that's a quote from Nicholas von Hoffman in his Washington Post column. Now from around the world. From West Germany, we read of more vaccination casualties. A reader writing to Organic Consumer Report, June 13, 1968 mentions an article which appeared in Medical World which stated that about 3,000 children each year suffer varying degrees of brain damage as a result of the small pox vaccination. This same writer mentions another medical journal in which Dr. G. Kotel reported that in the previous year, small pox vaccination damaged the hearing of 3,296 children in W. Germany and 71 became totally deaf. Hearing loss was reported by Dr. William Albrecht, who said in the article that I quoted earlier, that a typhoid shot he received made him stone deaf in one ear as well as deathly ill at the time of the shot. Now listen to this, folks, because this is where the big con starts.
In case after case of deaths which are really deaths from vaccinations, the cause of death is never listed as the vaccine. Asthma, however, acute lymphatic leukemia, streptococcal cellulitis, tubercular meningitis, and infantile paralysis are just a few of the fake causes of death listed on the death certificate of people who are dying from vaccinations. So much for these poisons being safe, now let's see how effective they are.
Statistics from around the world show unequivocally that infectious diseases like small pox, diphtheria, whooping cough, scarlet fever, etc., began to disappear long before vaccinations ever came on the scene. Now I'm quoting World Health Statistics Annual 1973-1976, Volume II. "There has been a steady decline of infectious diseases in most developing countries regardless of the percentage of immunizations administered in these countries."
I'll bet you didn't know that, folks, and I'll bet you didn't know this either, but I do know this from my research and from my own experimentation; personal hygiene and diet stop diseases, folks, not injecting virulent free-floating genetic material into your veins with all kinds of poisonous cancerous carrying agents which is what vaccines are. I'm going to now give you a key as to why you've been conned into believing that vaccines do stop diseases. I'm looking at a chart from Australian Nurses Journal from June of 1981. A top chart shows a curve of deaths per million children under 15 attributable to scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles. We're looking at a graph here. The graph runs the years from 1860 to 1965, and the death rate just goes down, having peaked in 1860 at 6,000 fatalities per million, and bottoming out near zero in 1965. So, it's just a downward sloping line going down from 6000 to 0 from 1860 to 1965. It looks really impressive, like could all of these communicable diseases have been wiped out.
However, the only problem is that immunizations were introduced into this picture in the 1940s when the number of fatalities per million had already dropped from 6000 to 1000, thus from looking at the nearly straight line of the curve, you see that the vaccinations did absolutely nothing, because there is no alteration in the rate of disappearance of these diseases from the vaccinations, at the time when the vaccinations first started to be administered.
A similar chart below it refers to tuberculosis and typhoid from 1900 to 1960, and again the line's a straight slopes downward, and you can see that the epidemics simply ran their course naturally, and are totally unaffected by the vaccination programs, but the medical industry wants you to believe that vaccines are what wipe out diseases and that is totally a bold-faced lie.
If you've never read the book, How To Lie With Statistics, by Daryl Huff, I strongly suggest you do because you will get a much better idea of how you've been tricked.
Now, I want to tell you about a much bigger lie that you've been fed. I want to talk to you about polio, because polio is a disease that most people think was the great success story of vaccinations. Let me read again from Walene James' book. Jonas Salk, the discoverer of the Salk polio vaccine has been called the 20th century miracle maker, and the savior of countless lives. We read glowing reports of the dramatic decrease in polio in the u.S. as a result of the Salk vaccine.
For instance, the Virginia State Department of Health distributes a folder which tells us that polio vaccines reduced the incidence of polio in the u.S. from 18,000 cases in 1954 to fewer than 20 in 1973-78. A recent article in Modern Maturity states that in 1953 there were 15,000 some odd cases of polio in the u.S. and by 1957 due to the Salk vaccine, the number had dropped to 2499.
However, during the 1962 Congressional hearings on HR10541, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Department of Biostatistics at the university of North Carolina, School of Public Health, testified that not only [now listen to this, folks...] not only did polio increase substantially after the introduction of mass and frequently compulsory immunization programs, but statistics were manipulated and statements made by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.
You have been lied to folks. The polio vaccine caused more polio than it protected people from. Moving on...
For instance, in 1957, the North Carolina Health Department made glowing claims for the efficacy of the Salk vaccine, showing how polio steadily decreased from 1953 to 1957. These figures were challenged by Dr. Fred Klenner who pointed out that it wasn't until 1955 that a single person in the state even received the polio vaccine injection.
Even then, the injections were administered on a very limited basis because of the number of polio cases resulting from the vaccine. It wasn't until 1956 that polio vaccinations assumed inspiring proportions. The 61% drop in polio cases in 1954 was credited to the Salk vaccine, when it wasn't even in the state yet. Nevertheless, by 1957, when the massive vaccination program had taken place, polio was again on the increase.
Digest that for a minute, folks, let Bill flip the tape over, and we'll be back in a minute......... Okay, back to the Salk vaccine.
Other ways polio statistics were manipulated to give the impression of Salk vaccine success follow:
Redefinition of an epidemic. More cases were required to refer to polio as an epidemic after the introduction of the Salk vaccine. In other words, you needed 20 cases per hundred thousand to have an epidemic before the vaccine was introduced, and after the vaccine they changed that number to 35 cases per hundred thousand per year to require the definition of epidemic. Redefinition of the disease. In order to qualify for classification as paralytic polio mytolitis, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for at least 60 days after the onset of the disease.
Now that's after they started the vaccination programs, folks. Before the vaccination program started in 1954, the patient had to exhibit paralytic symptoms for only 24 hours. What this means folks, is that if you walked into a doctor's office before the vaccine was introduced, and you said, "Oh, I have paralytic symptoms here. I've had them for about 2 weeks." They'd say, "Oh, that's polio. You've had it for more than a day." But after the vaccine, if after the vaccine, you walked into that same doctor's office, and you say, "Oh, I've had these symptoms for 2 or 3 weeks, now." They'd say, "Oh, wait two months, then we can call it polio." That's how the statistics get manipulated, folks. Moving on...Doctor Greenberg said, "This change in definition meant that in 1955 we started reporting a new disease, namely paralytic poliomyelitis, with a longer lasting paralysis.
The third way statistics were manipulated was mislabeling. After the introduction of the Salk vaccine, cocsacci virus and aseptic meningitis have been distinguished from paralytic poliomyelitis," explained Dr. Greenberg, "and in 1954 large numbers of these cases were undoubtedly mislabeled as paralytic polio." Now, another way of reducing the incidence of disease by way of semantics or statistical artifacts, as Dr. Greenberg calls it, is to simply reclassify the disease.
Now, I have my own version of this here, folks. From the Los Angeles County Health Index Morbidity and Mortality Reportable Disease Data, I'm looking at a chart of cases of viral or aseptic meningitis and polio from 1955 to 1966, and lo and behold, what do I find. From 1955 to 1966 cases of polio dropped from 273 cases to 5. Ah, but, the number of cases of aseptic meningitis from 1955 to 1966 increases in almost the same proportion from 50 cases to 256 cases. They simply changed the name, same disease, and you thought polio was wiped out at that point.
Now, folks, the reality is this. Diseases, like everything else in nature, follow cycles. They come in, they reach their peak and leave, and no vaccination program on Earth has ever been able to change that. Polio disappeared in Europe between 1940 and 1950 without any vaccination programs, whatsoever.
In 1958, Israel had a massive type 1 polio epidemic after mass immunizations. And from the same hearings on HR10541, that I talked about earlier, we find out that Massachusetts had a type 2 polio outbreak and there were more paralytic cases in people who were triple vaccinated than in the people who were unvaccinated. Surprise, surprise! You thought the vaccine protected you, didn't you? Well, most of those cases of polio came from the vaccination. And that's fact, folks. Even Jonas Salk has admitted it now that more than two-thirds of the polio in this country [then] came from his vaccine. From Coutler and Fisher's book, DPT: A Shot in The Dark, we learn:
There is a natural tendency for doctors to under-report whooping cough when it occurs in a vaccinated population, and to over report it when it appears in an unvaccinated population. Which means that if you go into a doctor's office and you are allegedly vaccinated, and you have whooping cough, they won't call it whooping cough. They'll call it something else, and that's how they keep all our statistics nice and safe and clean. Same thing's been done with measles, folks; reading from Walene James' book:
From 1958 to 1966, the number of measles cases reported each year dropped from 800,000 to 200,000. The drug industry claimed this was due to vaccinations. However, there are some very interesting discrepancies. Number one, the incidence of measles had already been declining steadily for the past 100 years and was totally unaffected by the immunization programs for measles.
It wasn't until 1967 that the live virus vaccine, which is presently used, was introduced, because the killed virus vaccine which came out in 1963 was found to be ineffective and harmful, and yet, the vaccine which was good, and which they alleged did the job, did not even come out during the time that they are trying to take credit for wiping out the diseases in.
A survey of pediatricians in New York City revealed that only 3.2% of them were actually reporting measles cases to the Health Department, and
in 1974 the Center for Disease Control determined that there were 36 cases of measles in all of Georgia. But the Georgia State Surveillance System reported 660 cases that same year.
A large proportion of children are found to be sero-negative (which means they show no evidence of immunity in blood tests) 4-5 years after receiving the rubella vaccination. In another study, 80% of army recruits who had been immunized against rubella, came down with the disease. Once again, folks, evidence that these vaccinations will not even protect you against the disease they are supposed to protect you from. And it goes on to say here that the same results were shown in a consecutive study that took place in an institution for the mentally retarded.
Now, could the real reason vaccination promise and performance seem so contradictory be that the vaccination premise itself is faulty? As stated earlier, the theory of vaccination postulates that the use of immunizing agents produces a mild form of the disease for which specific antibodies are formed that will protect the body when the real thing comes along. But as I mentioned earlier, it doesn't work that way and Dr. Alec Burton, who is another brave doctor out there, points out the following:
That there are children with what is called A Gamma Globulin Anemia [which means that they cannot produce antibodies], and yet these same children develop and recover from measles and other diseases as spontaneously as other children.
Now what this means is that there are children out there who can't produce antibodies. Nevertheless, antibodies are the things that vaccines are supposed to stimulate in you against the particular diseases they're designed for, and yet, as shown here by Dr. Alec Burton, even without those antibodies, you will get cured or you will naturally become healthy again after having this disease without any vaccination. So, folks, so much for the idea that vaccinations are the only way to protect you, and the basic premise that they are built on, namely stimulating antibodies, is totally wrong.
The mystery begins to unravel when we look at the work of Drs. Dettman and Kalikerinos. In one of their articles, they quote Dr. Wendall Bellfield of San Jose, California, who says the following. "Antibodies are not needed when the primary immunological defense which is leukocytes and interferon, etc. is functioning at maximum capacity.
Interferon production appears to occur only when the ascorbate level [and ascorbate is just a big word for vitamin C] and the primary defense components are at low levels, thereby permitting some viruses to survive the primary defense.
What this basically means, folks, is that the premise that vaccinations are built upon are totally false. Vaccinations are allegedly designed to stimulate antibody production for the specific diseases they're designed for, and yet, as Dr. Burton showed earlier, antibodies are not even necessary for your body to properly and effectively combat diseases.
In short, folks, this means that vaccines do not protect you against the diseases they are supposed to protect you from. Diseases, in this day and age have become self-fulfilling prophecy because doctors tend not to diagnose specific diseases if the subject has already been vaccinated against those specific diseases. Vaccinations, unquestionably, do not guarantee you any protection, their side effects are disastrous, and often worse than the disease, itself, and worse still, the premise that vaccines are built upon, are pure, unadulterated nonsense.
You've been taught that antibodies, are the little shock troops of your immune system, that they go out and kill all the nasty germs that are attacking you day in and day out, and the reality, however, is that antibody production is not your primary immunological defense, and that the idea of stimulating them by injecting you with poisons, serums, and free-floating genetic material, and all kinds of poisonous agents and stabilizers and vaccines, is completely absurd.
When immunity to a disease is acquired naturally, the possibility of reinfection is only 3.2%, according to journalist Marion Thompson. If the immunity comes from a vaccination, however, the chance of reinfection is 80%.
Did you hear that? Eighty percent chance of reinfection from unnaturally acquired immunity from vaccinations. Dr. William Howard Hay has pointed out that in any epidemic of communicable disease, only a small percentage of the population contracts the disease. Most people are naturally immune, so if a man who has been vaccinated does not contract the disease that really proves absolutely nothing. If he had not been vaccinated, the chances are he would not have contracted the disease, anyway. We have no way of knowing. Further,
Just because you give somebody a vaccine and maybe get an antibody reaction doesn't mean a thing. The only true antibodies, of course, are those you get naturally.
And that's from Dr. Dettman in an interview with Jay Patrick. Natural diseases are a lot safer than acute artificial complications from vaccinations. And that's a quote from Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, whom I mentioned earlier.
However, perhaps the strongest statement against the effectiveness of artificial immunization comes from Dr. William Howard Hay. It is nonsense to think that you can inject pus, which is most of the serums that we're talking about, into a little child, and in any way improve its health. There is no such thing as immunization, but we sell it under that name. If we could, by any means, build up a natural resistance to disease through these artificial means, I would applaud it to the echo, but we cannot do it.
The body has its own methods of defense. These defense methods depend upon the vitality of the body at the time. If it is vital enough, the body will resist all infections. If it isn't vital enough, it won't and you can't change the vitality of the body for the better by introducing poisons of any kind into it.
And those poisons of any kind he's referring to are vaccines. Vaccinations are poisons, they do not protect you, they are weakening our immune systems, and my research indicates that allergies are the direct result of large scale immunization programs foisted upon us in the last fifty years, and isn't it weird how right now, there is such a big push on to force every child and every person in the u.S. to be vaccinated for all kinds of diseases. Thanks, Bill Clinton. Now, be logical, folks. The only person you put at risk, even by the medical industry's own stupid logic is yourself, if you refuse to be vaccinated. Think about it; if everyone else is vaccinated, then they shouldn't get the disease, right? Then the only person that you're putting at risk by not being vaccinated is you. Makes sense. Then how does the government dare to justify forced vaccination?
I can assure you that even without any intentionally created diseases, many Americans will be dying over the next ten to fifteen years, and AIDS will be blamed. Be careful.
Wouldn't it be ironic if AIDS as we know it, did not exist at all. >From my own research I can tell you with complete confidence that the vaccines being foisted upon us can weaken our immune systems to the degree that AIDS-like symptoms and reactions will be all too common with or without AIDS. Do you remember what I read earlier about the genetic material being introduced into our bloodstreams from vaccinations, and producing auto-immune diseases. Folks, we don't even need a government-created disease to have massive epidemic rates of auto-immune failure, because that's what these vaccines are promoting.
Now you've been conned another way, and this is by the word virus. Because you think you know what a virus is. All living organisms, including bacteria and viruses contain genetic material, which is DNA and RNA. In fact, live viruses themselves are genetic messages.
Live bacteria and viruses can transfer their genetic information through animal cells, including human cells which are taken up by other cells in the body. Although the body generally will not make antibodies against its own tissue, it appears that slight modifications of the antigenic character of tissues will cause it to appear foreign to the immune system, and thus a fair target for antibody production. [Remember what I said earlier, about how vaccines give us genetic material that can incorporate into our cells.]
Thus vaccines lay the foundation for auto-immune diseases and other disorders of the immune system such as rheumatoid arthritis, rheumatic fever, lupus, sclerodema, and a lot of other nasty diseases. It is reasonable to assume that our contemporary "epidemic of allergies" has at least some of its roots in the practice of vaccination.
And again, that's from Walene James.
Now beware, folks, I have saved the best for last. The Clinton Administration has buckled under the pressure to implement a stepped up mass vaccination program. Every day I see stories of the various state laws forcing Americans to inject these poisons into their veins and don't buckle to the pressure, because you don't have to because no one, absolutely no one, can force you to inject anything into your blood, and no one can force you or your children to be vaccinated. I've avoided vaccinations, and you can, too.
They will threaten you with not letting your kids go to school, or not get a job, or anything else they can think of, but it is all, excuse this folks, it's all bullshit. However, if enough people do not speak up now, we may all be forced to take in these horrible poisons.
Often, all it takes to avoid vaccinations, is a simple form you can type up by yourself, referring to Senate bill 942 #3380, under the title, Exemption From Immunizations, and let me read that bill right now, it's really interesting. 3380. Immunization of a person shall not be required for admission to a school or other institution if the guardian parent or adult has assumed responsibility for his or her custody or care in the case of a minor, or the person seeking admission themselves, files with the governing authority a letter or affidavit stating that such vaccination is contrary to his or her belief.
The other thing you can do is go to your doctor and ask for a vaccination guarantee. Basically, what you're saying in this little form is that, you're guaranteeing me that this vaccination will protect me and not cause any nasty side effects, or you will give me a million dollars. And if a doctor refuses to sign that you can refuse to get the vaccination.
Marilu otkud je ovaj tekst?
Moja je curki također bila u inkubatoru, na navedenom antibiotiku i na hrpi drugih stvari koje bi bilo glupo ovdje navoditi. Izdajah se i nosih mlijeko. problema s dojenjem nismo imale pa smo se dojile dvije godine. Prvih mjesec dana njezina života provele smo na pedijatriji ispravljajući hospitalizacijske propuste.Citiraj:
sajkomum prvotno napisa
Ne mislim se nikako s tobom prepucavati, no isto tako kao što postoji strah od bolesti zbog necijepljenja, postoji i moj strah da ponovno ne dobijemo koplikaciju koju će nam otkriti tek 14. dan hospitalizacije. da definitivno ne mislim cijepiti, nikad nisam rekla.
Razne knjige, ali u biti skinuto sa jednog web sitea, doktor naturopath je napisao tekst. Ali puno toga iz tog teksta sam vec prije ja osobno citala iz raznih knjiga o cjepljenju, sa raznih drugih stranica te osobno cula od roditelja kojima su djeca imala posljedice od cjepljenja.Citiraj:
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http://www.gval.com/loglia.htmCitiraj:
marilu prvotno napisa
Ne znam da li sam štogod preskočila ali što je s prevođenjem knjige Trevora Gunna?
Zapelo. Zapravo bi to mogli aktualizirati. Zna li netko što je s autorskim pravima?
Sinoc sam na RTS2 (Radio Televizija Srbija) gledala BBC-ev dokumentarac MPR cjepivo i autizam. Je li netko hvata tu stanicu? Mame i tate iz Srbije jeste li gledali? Ja nisam znala sto cu mislit nakon dokumentarca.
Da skratim pricu, unatoc velikom broju istrazivanja koja su bila potaknuta cinjenicom da je autizam porastao nakon uvodjenja MPR cjepiva, nije se mogla naci veza izmedju autizma i cjepiva. Radjena su razna istrazivanja od kojih su spomenuta ona na velikom broju djece provedena u Danskoj, Americi (Boston) i UK (London).
Jedna od teorija iz dokumentarca prezentirana je u "The Lancet" (vrlo cijenjen medicinski zurnal u svijetu) i govori kako je virus rubeole odgovoran prvo za crijevnu infekciju kod djeteta a potom za autizam. Virus rubeole iz cjepiva uzrokuje tesko (i do tada neopisano) zapaljenje debelog i tankog crijeva koji zatim dovodi do neuroloskih poremecaja, a svi simptomi zajedno svrstavaju se u autizam.
Meni je ova veza stomak-mozak bila malo nerazumljiva ali su je lijecnici psihijatri, neurolozi i gastrointestolozi u dokumentarcu tumacili kao logicnu. Medjutim nije jasno da li je prvo nastao neuroloski poremecaj koji je utjecao na crijeva ili obrnuto.
Medjutim, nemogucnost dokazivanja virusa rubeole kao uzrocnika crijevnog zapaljenja (i autizma) lezala je u tome sto je virus rubeole, osim sto je izoliran u crijevima autisticne djece, bio izoliran i u crijevima djece bez autizma (ali ne kod sve djece bez autizma). Virus rubeole je bio izoliran u crijevima kod vecine djece s autizmom koji su cjepljeni s MPR ali bilo je djece s autizmom kod kojih u crijevima i u krvi nije izoliran virus rubeole.
Vecina roditelja prikazanih u dokumentarcu su uvjereni da iako istrazivanja pokazuju da ne postoji veze izmedju MPR i autizma, da su njihova djeca zrtve cjepiva i da im ne trabaju raznorazna istrazivanja jer da pred sobom imaju zivi dokaz. Misljenja su da se treba naci veza izmedju MPR-a i autizma, a da je nesumnjivo da cjepivo izaziva autizam.
Jedan od roditelja, lijecnik, koji ima autisticnog sina, misli da MPR nije uzrok autizma njegovog djeteta. Rekao je da se studiozno bavio ovim pitanjem i pratio istrazivanja te da smatra da veza izmedju MPR i autizma ne postoji.
U svakom slucaju, odlican dokumentarac sa oprecnim misljenjima i teorijama i voljela bih da se prikaze na HRT-u.
Kompletna haranga protiv Wakefielda je krenula kada je ustanovio vezu MMR i crijevnih infekcija, a potom crijevnih infekcija i Autizma. Na nedavnoj konferenciji u Kanadi su se našli novi dokazi u tom smjeru i sva je prilika da će Wakefield ipak izaći iz nemilosti. Šteta samo što sve ove godine nitko nije mogao učiniti baš nikakav napredak na ovom polju, jer je bilo puno važnije diskreditirati Wakefielda nego pomoći djeci u nevolji.
Davore, ono sto je mene uznemirilo je prezentiranje samog virusa (u ovom slucaju rubeole) u kombinaciji sa druga dva virusa kao uzrocnika crijevne infekcije i autizma. Ja sam nekako (vjerojatno zbog nedovoljne informiranosti) bila sklona misliti da se teze nuspojave desavaju vise zbog aditiva u cjepivu nego zbog samog virusa.
Ono sto me jako uznemirilo je nespremnost zdravstva u svim spomenutim zemljama da provode cijepljenje pojedinacnim cjepivom a ne kombiniranim. Kroz dokumentarac su se provlacila misljenja kako imunoloski sistem neke djece nije spremno odgovoriti na kombinirano cjepivo i u toj borbi dolazi do raspada imunog sistema koji tada utjece i na neuroloski. Lijecnici su bili misljenja da roditelji svoju djecu ne bi vodili tri puta na cijepljenje, jednom za rubeolu, drugi put za ospice pa za zausnjake i da je stoga prakticnije dati kombinirano cjepivo. Ne znam kako su mogli doci do tog zakljucka ako nisu niti probali ponuditi pojedinacno cjepivo. Sigurno da su za dijete traumaticnije 3 injekcije nego jedna medjutim ako je to sigurnije mislim da je i opravdano.
Opet: haranga protiv Wakefielda je nešto većeg prioriteta od dobrobiti desetak generacija djece.
Uzgred, našao sam jednu krasnu online knjigu s ovom tematikom:
Vaccination Crisis
Pisana je dosta popularno, ali su sve reference i svi citati nabrojani na licu mjesta. Impresivno.
Timmy, evo ja sam iz srbije, ali nisam gledala na zalost.
Inace sam zbunjena oko vakcinisanja, nemam bas mnogo vremena za istrazivanje, pa se zato ne javljam ovde.
Vidim da ste svi preskocili topic o malim boginjama u srbiji, ali mi nije jasno zasto.
Mene licno brine sto su najavili sistemsku vakcinaciju, a nisam zeleda da Novija vakcinisem tom vakcinom.
kli-kli, mi smo momentalno u srbiji, ja i suprug tu radimo i nije mi bilo svejedno neku vecer kad sam na nacionalnog dnevniku vidila koliko je djece dobilo ospice (male boginje) i poziv svima koji nisu cjepljeni. moje kolegice s posla dobijaju pozive svaki dan iz ambulanta da dodju cijepiti djecu i samo je jedna do sada uspjela izbjeci cijepljenje. Moja cura nije cijepljena (navrsila je 17 mjeseci) i stvarno sam oprezna ovih dana oko toga tko nam dolazi u kucu i kad su djecu cijepljena. stvarno sam opterecena a ne znam da li bih trebala biti.
kli_kli, nitko ovdje nije impresioniran tom bolešću, a još manje načinom na koji je prezentirana. Osobno držim da se radi samo o smišljenoj akciji beogradskog imunološkog kako bi sebi digli rejting i ništa drugo. Nigdje se ne vide konkretne brojke, kao ni bilo kakva uputa što činiti u slučaju zaraze, nego samo VAKCINACIJA.
Slično je bilo i ovdje s gripom. Puno buke, samo da prodaju silne doze cjepiva koje nitko neće. I ove godine je gripa odgripala svoje, najvjerojatnije u još manjem udjelu nego lani.
Vic:
Odgovarao Mujo biologiju, a naučio samo medvjede. Profesor ga pita leptire i mujo krene priču: "...leptira ima bijelih, žutih, šarenih, velikih i malih. Oni lete na sve strane i slete na svašta pa tako i na medvjede. A medvjedi znate..."
vidis timmy, ni moj sin koji ima 20 meseci nije vakcinisan, ali me niko jos nije zvao.
mislim da je to zato sto imaju adresu i telefon stana iz kog smo se preselili, pa nas verovatno ne mogu ni naci.
time se tesim.
vidim da smo u jako slicnoj situaciji.
davore, ja se ni malo ne plasim te bolesti, plasim se bas vakcinacije. koliko znam u beogradu je obolelo samo dvoje dece, i oboje su jos odavno na infektivnoj.
moj sin i dalje doji i zdrav je inace, i stvarno nisam u strahu od malih boginja.
vise se plasim usamljenosti, zigosanja, i maltretiranja koje nas ceka.
plasim se i teta u belom kad sledeci put budemo isli kod pedijatra.
i eto vidis da si imao sta reci.
i hvala ti, jer mi bas te reci znace, jer sve sto slusam je totalno suprotno.