Obrazovanje kod kuce ili "obr. na drug. nacin"-1

[Saradadevii]

ne znam da li bih više znala da nisam išla u školu, ali odnos nastavnika prema učenicima mi se nije sviđao. znala sam dolaziti doma plačući jer je učiteljica poslala doma jednog učenika po bilježnicu koju je zaboravio. ili su mu se djeca rugala jer nije znao pjesmicu napamet

emocionalno stanje utjece na proces usvajanja znanja pa onda kroz tu vezu, bolje ucis kada si sretan, opusten, kada ti je zanimljivo, kada se ne bojis itd...
Iako meni neki studenti tvrde da najbolje pamte kada su pod stresom i da ih zato treba tjerati.

[kukica]

ja sam odabrala gimnaziju zbog nekoliko predmeta koje u drugim školama ne bih imala prilike slušati. njih sam učila bez muke, a ostalo učenje je bilo samo radi ocjene. žalosno.

[BusyBee]

program - slazem se da je krut, ali s druge strane krut je koliko to uciteljzeli - on moze izabrati metodu i dubinu, on je taj koji ce necemu dati vise svjetla ili manje...vise je stav u stavu nego u materiji

I sadrzaj je vazan; ako dijete u rujnu i cijelu jesen i zimu zanimaju dinosauri i sve zivo o njima, a mora u skoli u tom razdoblju uciti o domacim zivotinjama (koje je apsolvirao s godinu dana), sto da se radi? Najinventivniji ucitelj moze pokusati odvuci paznju na kravu i sve sto ona daje, ali sto je krava, u odnosu na dinosaura...

Slazem se.

[lalah]

kad se već spominje:
moje osnovna škola je bila trauma koje se vjerojatno nikad neću riješiti

u prva dva imala sam ludu ženu koja nas je vrijeđal, tukla, čupala za kosu, sad je vidim kako se dere i pljuvačka joj pjeni, mami je trebalo dvije godine mojih neuroza i povraćanja i glavobolja da skuži da me mora maknuti-dvije godine prekasno ako mene pitate

drugi dio odnosi se na osmi razred osnovne kad me prof iz matematike kao najbolju izabrao da pregledavam ostlim učenicima zadaće
ispočetka sam glumila silnika i sa nipodaštavanjem se odnosila prema slabijim učenicima dok me jedan pogled nije natjerao da se zacrvenim, promislim i ne nisam bila toliko zrela i odrasla da na drugi način pristupim svemu tome i pomognem slabijim učenicima već sam se vratila na povraćanje na dane matematike što je bilo često
imam ja toga još

[Saradadevii]

Da, i u moje osnovnoskolsko vrijeme je to bilo popularno, nadam se da je do sada izumrlo; mi smo imali u dnevnom boravku, prva cetiri razreda, a good lady iz hrvatskog, prirode i glazbenog te jednu bad lady iz matematike, tjeleskog i likovnog, koja je prakticirala povlacenje za usi, ismijavanje, izrugivanje. A one koje je ona voljela, bili su u nemilosti ostalih ucenika.

Ono sto me sada fascinira je to kako se nitko od roditelja te djece nije nikada pobunio protiv njezinog ponasanja. Naprotiv, postojalo je odobravanja, da ih ona "stavi u red", je li to duh generacije ili sto?

[lalah]

Moja kuzina učiteljica je u jednom, kako se to na ovom forumu eufemizmom naziva, pasivnom kraju. Među prvima je išla na edukaciju za "korak po korak" i bojažljivo krenula na primjenu- premjestila je klupe u razredu da ne budu u strogom redu već kao malo u krug. Roditelji su se žalili ravnatelju i iz njih je suknuo dugo zatomljavani bijes jer je ona (kuzina) svojim dolasko izbacila batinu koju je koristio njen prethodnik (radi se o '90-im godinama prošlog stoljeća)

Ja si to mogu racionalizirati jedino na način da su roditelji u prošlosti u startu morali napraviti emotivni odmak zbog visoke smrtnosti djece i s tim odmakom su bili slobodni pustiti svoju okrutnu stranu na slobodu.
Prije sam mislila da su to posljedice mračnog srednjeg vijeka ali Ne!!


U Sparti je npr. država odlučivala o sudbini novorođene djece, muške i ženske: ako su bila zdrava država ih je preuzimala na odgoj ili su ostavljana da umru. Kad bi napunili 7 godina dječaci su odvajani od obitelji i poslani u vojne i atletske škole gdje su se učili čvrstoći, disciplini, izdržljivosti na bol (jaku bol!) MM mi je na jednom anarhističkom sajta našao da nije bila rijetka pojava da djete od batinanja umre.

Paradoksalno, Sparta je bila što se tiče žena najliberalnija u cijeloj ondašnjoj Grčkoj. Dok su se žene u ostalim grčkim polisima odgajane da služe obitelji, mlade Spartanke, pod uvjetom da su imale dovoljno sreće kod rođenja, educirala je država kako bi i one provele svoj život služeći naciji

Tako da mislim da smo mi u stvari prva generacija koja se trudi Voliti djecu

[flower]

ja mislim da su i prije voljelidjecu ali se nisu usudili to pokazati, ili nisu znali kako ili nije bilo odobreno pokazati ljubav...

S.

povijest filozofije

uce cijelu povijest ali tako da usvajaju obrasce razmisljanja i igraju se s njima... vrlo zanimljivo

izgleda da sam ja pomjesala u svojoj glavi - HS i US

ako je moja princeza ratnica vec usvojila domace zivotinje i u temi je dinosaura - onda bi dobra odgajatelj/ucitelj trebao nju iskoristiti da drugima pomogne uciti o dom. zivotinjama (jer se kroz pomaganje najbolje uci) a njoj dati vremena i prostora da proucava dinosaure... to je ono cemu npr. tezimo u vrticu. A opet - u vrticu nemam program pa to mozemo izvesti, vjerujem da je u skoli s time teze...

imamo novo pitanje - ljudi su zivotinje sisavci ili samo ljudi, drugaciji od svih drugih... (A. poseban pozdrav - danas joj je to sinulo pri usponu na Risnjak)

ona je vrloslicna S. Shantani s time da je jako brbljiva i fizicki aktivna - dobro joj je u vrticu jer ima tete koje to postuju i ne guse je, stvarno cemo se truditi naci i takve uciteljice

[Zdenka2]

Svaka generacija kroz cijelu povijest naivno misli da sve počinje od nje. Barem oni koji povijest ne poznaju.

U svim razdobljima i svim dijelovima svijeta ljudi su i u prošlosti voljeli svoju djecu i pokazivali to.

Voljela bih da mi jednom netko objasni zašto bi srednji vijek bio mračan. Profesionalno se bavim srednjim vijekom već niz godina i nisam našla zašto bi tako bilo.

[ivarica]

haha, mracni srednji vijek.
nedavno kad smo isli na viteski turnir kazem ja frendovima - super sto pada kisa, pravo je vrijeme za takve dogadjaje. jeste i vi kao male mislile da u srednjem vijeku sunca nikad nisu vidjeli?
Merlin negdje zaledjen, bez moci, a Morgani drazi crni oblaci.
tek kasnije naucis koliko je to vrijeme doprinijelo kulturom i umjetnoscu, a i da im je sunce sjalo.

nego, lala vjerojatno misli na status djece u drustvu, ne na kolicinu ljubavi koju pojedinci daju djeci kroz proslost.
ja se sjecam kako sam pred 10tak godina drzala u ruci igracke kojima su se igrala djeca u vucedolu pred, ne znam, 7 tisuca godina i kao da sam mogla osjetiti ljubav roditelja koji su toj djeci pravili te predmete.
posramilo me tada bas ovo sto zdenka kaze. pa ja sam zamisljala da sve pocinje od nas.

ali ako i nisu pocele od nas, neke promjene pocele su tek nedavno.
dotad su djecu zrtvovali za plodna ljeta koliko god ih mama voljela ili "nudili" gostima svoje kceri kao dobri domacini, koliko god ih tata volio. kad su ubijali bebu rodjenu s nekim posebnim obiljezjima, ne znam, albino bebu, mozda su ih i tada voljeli. a sigurna sam da su japanske mame pune ljubavi motale stopala svojim curicama.
ipak, nastavno na lalu: premalo zivimo da mozemo reci da je nase vrijeme postedjelo djecu.

a da se vratimo na temu: lalu i mene sigurno ne bi izabrale da vam ucimo djecu povijesti

[lalah]

Pa ja volim povijest i "Opća povijest srednjeg vijeka" M. Brandta mi je ako ne u TOP 10 a ono sigurno u TOP 20 ever
ali ne nažalost nisam talentirana ne stavljam stvari ispravno u kontekst i vremenski okvir gubim iz vida kontinuitete MM me često kad sluša moje zaključke mora podsjećati na notorne činjenice koje su mi promakle
ali ne mislim da sam krivo rekla kad sam rekla trudi i stavila veliko V i zbog ovog što Ivka kaže i zbog Činjenica (dakle nije podložno mojoj manipulaciji, bar mislim)
-da jesmo prva generacija koja ne gleda odakle će joj stići sljedeći obrok a moja mama i moj tata su odrasli gladni a vjerujem i njihovi roditelji
-da živimo u vremenu kad je u zadnjih 100 godina akumulirano 80% svjetskog znanja
i da naravno govorim iz pozivije eurocentrika

a propo slike srednjeg vijeka isto ko Ivka ali krivim i hollywood -uvijek oblačno, pada kiša , puše, vrane grakću da ne spominjem kugu i visoku zastupljenost degenerika :D

A što je mračno?
Pa kao simbolični početak srednjeg vijeka meni se najviše svidio dan kad su stavili katanac na Platonovu akademiju i znanost stavili na led na period od nekih tisuću godina a pisana riječ bila povlastica crkve i bogatih i moćnih
opet naravno kao pripadnica meditreanskog kruga i europocentrik

e da

riječ je o vremenu visoke civilizacije, odnosno neprekinute antike koja traje sve do do 1000. godine! Europu su vodili kultivirani ljudi koji su okupljali umjetnike, oslikavali svoje dvorove prekrasnim freskama, imali u samostanima brojne skriptorije u kojima su se prepisivale filozofske, matematičke i profane knjige, a o glazbi uopće da ne govorim! Pogledate li iz kakvih su kaleža pili, u kakvu su se svilu odijevali, kakav su nakit imale njihove žene, shvatit ćete da je to bila vrlo visoka civilizacija i kultura koju poznamo kao langobardsku, vizigotsku karolinšku te, naravno, starohrvatsku!

my foot
svila i kadifa za 2%
za ostale ječmena kaša-ako

[Saradadevii]

lalu i mene sigurno ne bi izabrale da vam ucimo djecu povijesti

zasto ne, lala je sasvim ok, sto se tice srednjevijekovne povijesti. Ti jos trebas malo dotjerati Vucedol.

[ivarica]

ivar bi me ionako ispravio za tih par tisuca godina vamo tamo

[Zdenka2]

Ljudi, nisam vam htjela začatat topik, ali ja sam profesionalni medievist, pa mi se kosa diže na glavi na "mračni srednji vijek".

Lalah, vjeruj mi, u srednjem vijeku znanost nije bila na ledu, a i Platon je došao na red, iako su više voljeli Aristotela. A što se tiče 2%, misliš da je u staroj Grčkoj bilo bolje? Koliko je danas posto ljudi gladno? Ali, dosta od mene.

Aha, još samo to. Brandtova knjiga je bila loša i zastarjela i onda kad je izašla. Po njoj sam polagala ispit na drugoj godini i to mi je bio najgori ispit u cijelom školovanju.

[zrinka]

zdenka, sta preporucas?
za laike?
da se podsjete s vremena na vrijeme

mozda gombricheva 'kratka povijest svijeta'?

[Zdenka2]

Gombrich je odličan, pogotovo za klince. Kad ne znam što bih kupila tinejdžerima, kupim to. Za ostalo, javi mi na pp što te zanima, pa slijedi popis.

[andrea]

zdenka, sta preporucas?
za laike?
da se podsjete s vremena na vrijeme

i mene zanima

[Zdenka2]

Od novijih, uvjetno rečeno, sinteza, najbolje što sam pročitala mi je The Medieval World, ur. Peter Linehan, Janet Nelson, London: Routledge, 2001. Grupa autora, razne teme, fascinantno.

Dosta starije, ali u našim prilikama dostupnije je Jacques Le Goff: Srednjovjekovna civilizacija zapadne Europe. Za pojedinačne teme javite mi se na pp. Već sam poslala cijeli popis Marii71, ali ga nisam presnimila.

[andrea]

thx, zdenka

sad ću ja mariu71 udavit

[Saradadevii]

mame, je li to znaci da krecete u HE?
ili je to samo literatura za samoobrazovanje, mozda dopunsko obrazovanje...

[BusyBee]

Zdenka, super!

[Zdenka2]

mame, je li to znaci da krecete u HE?
ili je to samo literatura za samoobrazovanje, mozda dopunsko obrazovanje...

Pa, ja sam već napisala da svog sina obrazujemo kod kuće u mnogim znanjima. Ali, uz školu. Za sada samo glazbenu školu, a od iduće godine i "pravu".

[Saradadevii]

my foot
svila i kadifa za 2%
za ostale ječmena kaša-ako

Lalah, vjeruj mi, u srednjem vijeku znanost nije bila na ledu, a i Platon je došao na red, iako su više voljeli Aristotela. A što se tiče 2%, misliš da je u staroj Grčkoj bilo bolje? Koliko je danas posto ljudi gladno

?

Ono sto ja volim u HE (na nacin kako ga ja zamisljam, doduse ), je to sto dijete ovakva dva stava moze preispitivati, vagati, usporedjivati, istrazivati da potkrijetpi jedan pa drugi i na kraju, uoblicite neko svoje misljenje je li srednji vijek bio mracan ili ne, koliko je bio , ako je bio, zasto itd...To je dugi proces, ali je toliko vredniji i zanimljiviji od klasicnog skolskog puta, koji u najboljem slucaju, kada servira informacije, jedan kut gledanja, cinjenice koje treba znati (i koje se testiraju), zahtijeva samo malo kreativnosti i promisljanja u obliku nekog logickog povezivanja (koje je moja profacica iz srednje osobito cijenila)- ako. To eventualno dodje na univerzitetskoj razini - ako. A tada je pomalo kasno za razvoj misli, kreativnosti itd...iako ne i prekasno.

[Saradadevii]

Pa, ja sam već napisala da svog sina obrazujemo kod kuće u mnogim znanjima. Ali, uz školu. Za sada samo glazbenu školu, a od iduće godine i "pravu".

mislila sam na ostale mame, koje su trazilr informacije

[andrea]

mame, je li to znaci da krecete u HE?
ili je to samo literatura za samoobrazovanje, mozda dopunsko obrazovanje...

ja na žalost nisam dovoljno obrazovana za HE, ali nastojim stalno učiti, puno čitam i informiram se, znatiželjna sam i otvorena i želim imati širu bazu znanja, pa se nadam da ću to moći prenijeti i na bojana kada dođe u dob za to; uz školu

[Saradadevii]

ma to ja samo provociram
kak bi dobila materijala za propagiranje, kao npr ovo:

ja na žalost nisam dovoljno obrazovana za HE

Kazu da je to drugi mit o HE, odmah nakon mita o socijalizaciji.
Skolovanje nas uvjeri da nismo dovoljno strucni za stosta, sto uz prevladavajuce uvjerenje da dijete nikada samo ne bi nista naucilo, tvori solidan temelj za institucializirano obrazovanje.

[andrea]

Kazu da je to drugi mit o HE, odmah nakon mita o socijalizaciji.
Skolovanje nas uvjeri da nismo dovoljno strucni za stosta, sto uz prevladavajuce uvjerenje da dijete nikada samo ne bi nista naucilo, tvori solidan temelj za institucializirano obrazovanje.

imam frenda; SSS, ekonomist, radi nekakav uredski posao...itd, ali obožava povijest, strašno je potkovan po tom pitanju, stalno iščitava tone literature i jako je posvećen tome

ima dvoje djece i oboje su, još u dobi od 6, 7 godina baratali sa zaista zavidnim znanjem po tom pitanju, u školi im je povijest bila pisofkejk, jer su već u stratu imali puno više znanja

on nema pojma o HE konkretno, ali je, odgajajući svoju djecu, strašno puno svog znanja prenio na njih, a da oni to nisu nisu "ni skužili"

[BusyBee]

Ono sto ja volim u HE (na nacin kako ga ja zamisljam, doduse ), je to sto dijete ovakva dva stava moze preispitivati, vagati, usporedjivati, istrazivati da potkrijetpi jedan pa drugi i na kraju, uoblicite neko svoje misljenje je li srednji vijek bio mracan ili ne, koliko je bio , ako je bio, zasto itd...To je dugi proces, ali je toliko vredniji i zanimljiviji od klasicnog skolskog puta

Ovo je meni jako vazno.

[marta]

Meni ovaj topic moram priznati nije nimalo legao iako sam upravo ja spomenula HE. A nije mi legao jer se ovdje o HE raspravlja totalno povrsno i uopce se ne postavljaju relevantna pitanja. Al to je neki drugi par cipela i usput i objasnjenje zasto cu reci samo jednu stvar a onda se vise vjerojatno necu ukljucivati.

Dakle, Andrea, uopce nisi u pravu. To koliko ti znas nema nikakve veze s eventualnim poducavanjem djece. Sve stvari koje su mi u zivotu kristalno jasne a takvih nema mnogo, naucila me je moja baka u djetinjstvu. A ona nema nikakvo formalno obrazovanje. Od FO zna citati i pisati.

Jucer je na kupanju nasa polupismena susjeda objasnjavala Andriji mnozenje i dijeljenje na nacin koji meni nikad ne bi pao napamet uz svo moje formalno i neformalno obrazovanje. Razgovor o skoljkama iz kojeg naucis kako one zive, sta jedu, kako se skupljaju, kad se skupljaju i zasto i kako se kuhaju i koje je jelo od njih najbolje, a i kako se 10 skoljaka podijeli na 5 ljudi, i jos hrpa toga, to je HE.

A to ne moras nuzno sve ti znati. Samo trebas znati gdje mozes tu informaciju naci ako ti zatreba.

[Saradadevii]

stovise, jedno od mojih najvecih briga oko HE je kako da svojoj djeci, uz svo formalno obrazovanje kojemu sam bila izlozena, omogucim da se "slobodno" obrazuju...
valjda ce se uvijek naci koja polupismena susjeda sa strane da pripomogne, baba mi je, nazalost, daleko...

[marta]

potpisujem od pocetka do kraja.

[maria71]

naravno da će moje dijete biti izloženo različitim utjecajima od polupismenih baba do ajde recimo to stručnjaka ( karikiram)

trudit ću se da Marko upozna što više različitih ljudi i da ne ide kroz život ko konj sa onim čudom na glavi

mislim da imam tu prednost,jer radim u školi,pa vidim kaj je ok,a kaj nije,

a HE u vidu neke osobe koja ima iskonsku mudrost sam dobila od svoje gazdarice u zg sa 21 godinom

naučila me kuhati jednostavna i brza jela,pospremati u pol sata,određenim životnim mudrostima,poticala me da se borim za sebe itd

[flower]

ja definitivno nisam za HE kao jedinu opciju…ali to sam negdje vec napisala.

antropolozi kazu da su none (starije zene) bile te koje su prenosile znanje djeci…srecom imamo dio tih praroditelja blizu da obave svoj dio posla…a mi cemo slicno Zdenki. s druge strane reci da dijete treba uciti samo na taj nacin meni je jednaka krajnost kao I reci da samo skloa daje obrazovanje, ili sam ja vec toliko u sustavu da sam izgubljen slucaj :? Marta sto bi ti voljela da je ovaj topic iznjedrio? koje su tu teme promasene?

jucer je D imala potrebu pitati o 8 razredu - sto se tamo uci I sl. stvari, na kraju je rekla da ona nece ici u skolu jer su tamo djeca tuzna…to me je strecnulo, ona ide u vrtic koji je u sklopu skole I mislim da je "nanjusila" atmosferu. kad sam je pitala a sto bi onda ona - rekla je da bi uvijek ostala u vrticu, kao I mama

[makita]

Meni se stalno mota po glavi da sam uživala u HE-preko ljeta. Naučila sam svašta uz moju baku koja se znala samo potpisati.
Eto malo utjehe za one koji bi u HR htjeli sprovest u djelo HE.
Kod nas srećom-bar ja tako mislim-ljetni praznici su duuugi.
Koji gušt kad se sjetim tih praznika iz osnovne-naučila sam plesti od bake, grčku mitologiju od a-ž iz knjiga-jer me baka poticala, pa sam ja njoj čitala i prepričavala, pa sam kukičala 1 mali stolnjak-to me naučila jedna susida-al mi je to bilo bezveze, pa sam odustala. Pa sam išla u Italiju kad sam bila srednja škola -družit se s djecom-a naučila talijanski-doduše samo govorit-treba mi tečaj pisanja...
Ma svašta još, al se ne mogu sjetit-eh, da-pravit mermeladu i sok od maraske...Na tome sam se namlatila para :D kad sam bila 7 ili 8 razred...
A čitala sam sve što mi je došlo pod ruku...i što mi se čini užasno važno-naučila sam se zabavit-al baš ludo zabavit-i sve to bez tv-a. Valjda sam zato danas svestrana-ili frikuša koja svašta oće sama...
Al se raspisah...sorry, malo sam zastranila. Zanijelo me sjećanje...

[BusyBee]

Netko me pitao na pp za vulkan i ostale eksperimente, a ja izbrisala cijeli Inbox i nisam zapamtila tko.

Radi se o knjigama Science Magic, autora Richarda Robinsona. Serija je od SM in the kitchen... in the bathroom, in the living room i in the bedroom. Sori sto nisam zapamtila tko me pitao, nadam se da ce ovdje procitati.

Moje bake su zakon. Ne sjecam se da su me puno poucavale. I jedna i druga su imale jako tezak zivot (i financijski i muzeve alkose) i procvale su tek sad, pod stare dane.

[makita]

Ja pitala.
Vidiš, možda je dobro da si pobrisala -sad možda još neko profitira od informacije-pa se poigra vulkanizera

[ivarica]

hvala makita, ja danas narucujem

[BusyBee]

ja danas narucujem

Sta narucujes?

[Saradadevii]

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This Week's Experiment - #464 Oil and Water and Static, Oh My!

Greetings from Ft. Lauderdale. I am still busily working on my science video series, and am having a blast. I am also learning tons about the world of video production, which really makes me appreciate all the work that goes into the television that we watch every day.

This week's experiment is one that I came across while researching for the science videos. I came across an article that compared the effect of static fields on polar and nonpolar materials. Sound complicated? Really, it is simple and amazing. To try this, you will need:

a balloon
water
oil
syrup

We will start with something that we have done before. Blow up a balloon and tie it off. Then rub it against your hair or a piece of cloth, to build up a static charge. If you bring the balloon near the back of your hand, you should feel the hair standing up on your hand.

Then turn on the water in your sink. Turn the water down to form a very thin stream of water. Bring the balloon near the stream of water, and you should see that it bends towards the balloon. You may even see drops leap from the stream to the balloon.

Now come the new part. We want to try the same thing with a thin stream of oil. I put a bowl in the sink and then poured cooking oil into it, trying to get a nice, thin stream like I had with the water. This time, when I brought the balloon near the stream, it did not bend or react to the static charge. Why?

Well, the article that I read said that it was because water is polar and oil is nonpolar. What in the world does that mean? No, it doesn't mean that you don't find oil at the North Pole. If a molecule is polar, then one part of the molecule will have a positive charge and another part will have a negative charge. Nonpolar molecules have a neutral charge all over. That should mean that the polar molecules will be pushed or pulled by the electrostatic charge on our balloon.

OK, so it seemed to work, but I was wondering if part of this was because the oil was thicker than the water. To test that, I did the experiment again, using some sorghum molasses (a thick syrup popular in the Southern United States). Since it is water based, it is also a polar liquid. Instead of pouring it into the sink, I poured a thin stream onto some nicely buttered toast. The charge of the balloon did the same thing to the syrup that it did for the water, showing me that even thick liquids are bent by the static charge. It also made a nice, tasty design on my toast.

That lead me to wondering if the same thing applied to solids. Wax is a nonpolar solid, while wood is polar. If solids react in the same way as liquids, then you should be able to sort a pile of tiny bits of wax and wood by bringing the balloon near the pile. Does it work? <grin> Guess you'll have to try it to see. Why should I have all the fun?

Have a wonder filled week.

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[Saradadevii]

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This Week's Experiment - #463 Eggs-ray Vision

Greetings from Redding, California. Donna, Omar and I flew out for a day of shows at the Wheelabrator Energy Day event, and three days of video taping in the mountains for our FCAT project. It will be a series of 58 science lessons, aimed at helping students do better on Florida's high stakes science test. If it is a success, we will then do the same thing for other states. By next week, we will have a blog (web journal) up, for those of you that want to keep track of our adventures.

This week's experiment came from trying to hatch some eggs. We are using an incubator, and hoping to hatch some chicks and ducks. This week, we candled the eggs, to see if they were developing. Candling is a technique for looking inside an egg, without breaking the shell. To try this, you will need:

an egg
a bright llight
a cardboard box
a dark room
a small bowl or dish

First, cut a hole about the size of a quarter in the bottom of the cardboard box. Turn the box upside down, and put the bright light inside. Position the light so that it is shining up through the hole. Then darken the room and place the egg over the hold. The light should shine into the egg, making it glow.

Look carefully at the egg. If you were looking at a fertile egg that had been incubated for a couple of weeks, you would see a large, dark mass. That would be the baby chick.

While you won't see that in your egg, you can see a few things. First, you can see the air cell. It will look like a small bubble at the large end of the egg, and that is exactly what it is. In a fresh egg, it is small, but if you keep the egg in the refrigerator for a while, it loses part of its water and the air cell gets bigger.

You may also see lots of tiny light spots in the shell. Those are pores that let the egg breath. It lets oxygen get in, and lets carbon dioxide and water get out.

If you have a very bright light, you may see just a hint of the yolk. That is about all that you should see by candling, but by breaking the egg, we can learn even more about the inside. Carefully crack the egg into a small bowl or dish. Try not to break the yolk.

Look carefully at the inside of the shell. Along the inside of the hard shell, you should see a thin, skin-like membrane. Actually, there are two membranes, one inside the other. If you look at the inside of the large end of the egg, you should see the air cell, in between the two membranes. These membranes control what goes in and out of the egg, keeping it from drying out, and helping to keep out microorganisms that would spoil the egg.

Next, look at the egg. Most people are familiar with the white or albumen (which comes from albus, which is latin for .... you guessed it. White.) Inside the albumin is the yolk. Many people think that the yolk develops into the chick, but it does not. Instead, the yolk is a stored food supply to feed the chick until it hatches. Even if you have a fertilized egg, the part that will develop into the chick is VERY tiny, so don't expect to see it.

In the albumin, you may also see one or two small, white structures. Again, many people think that this is the start of the chick. Instead, these are chalazae, rope-like structures that hold the yolk in the center of the albumin. By keeping it away from the shell, they protect the yolk from contamination by any microorganizms that find their way into the egg. That is also why you should store eggs with the large end up. Since the air cell is an air bubble, it tries to float upwards. If the large end of the egg is down, the air cell stretches upwards, bringing it closer to the yolk, which could cause the egg go bad quicker.

Now that you have dissected the egg, the only thing left to do is to denature its proteins. To do that, put a little butter into a skillet. Turn the heat on medium and place the egg into the skillet. The heat will change the protein of the egg, causing the albumin to change from a clear gel to a firm, white solid. The yolk will also take on a firm texture. Then add a little salt and pepper and you have a very nice snack.

Have a wonder filled week.

[ivarica]

wow, super. hvala saradadevii
i to stvarno na kraju ispadne skroz popunjen tjedan.
malo povijesti, malo matematike, malo zivota, skola, sport pa ovo pa ono.
zato bi ja uvela jos jedan slobodan dan. jer je to sve skupa PREVISE. i nama odraslima bi dobro doslo.
uvalit cu si u zadatak pronaci otkad petodnevni raspored, jer zauvijek sigurno nece biti.

[Saradadevii]

kazem ti ja, mi nismo jos stigli na susret s lokalnom HE grupom, a imamo 5 dana tjedno na raspolaganju!

Ovo je link za popis literature za zainteresirane za HE (ima svacega, i akademskog, iskustvenog, prakticnih savjeta, istrazivanja na polju HE itd...podijeljeno je tematski, izvor je udruga Educatio Otherwise, ako sto kupujete preko britanskog amazona, pliz narucite preko EO, dobivamo neki postotak

http://www.education-otherwise.org/P...herReading.pdf

[flower]

tko ce sad napisati clanak za portal o HS i OS?
i prevesti eksperimente i napisati kako su ih proveli...
evo skolske zadace

ivka, i ja sam uvijek sklona da nam je trodnevni vikend jedini pravi vikend

[Saradadevii]

ja sam svoj (samozadani) zadatak obavila.... , evo , nekima za inspiraciju, nekima za provokaciju....

John Stuart Mill
"A general State education is a mere contrivance for molding people to be exactly like one another; and as the mold in which it casts them is that which pleases the dominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, an aristocracy, or a majority of the existing generation; in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body."

George Bernard Shaw
There is nothing on earth intended for innocent people so horrible as a school. To begin with, it is a prison. But it is in some respects more cruel than a prison. In a prison, for instance, you are not forced to read books written by the warders and the governor. In prison they may torture your body but they do not torture your brains

Ivan Illich
...we have come to realise that for most men the right to learn is curtailed by the obligation to attend school

Schools are designed on the assumption that there is a secret to everything in life; that the quality of life depends upon knowing that secret; that secrets can only be known in orderly successions; and that only teachers can properly reveal these secrets. An individual with a schooled mind conceives of the world as a pyramid of classified packages accessible only to those who carry the proper tags.

Meighan
When I trained as a teacher I was introduced to two basic roles. One was that of a crowd control steward... The other basic role was that of crowd-instructor

A recent MORI poll, commissioned by the Campaign for Learning, found that 90% of adults were favourably inclined towards further learning for themselves.....The bad news is that 75% said they were unhappy and alienated in the school environment and that, therefore, they preferred to learn at home, in the local library, at their workplace - anywhere other than a school-type setting.

John Holt
I say above all else don't let your home become [a] miniature copy of the school. No lesson plans, no quizzes, no tests, no report cards! even leaving your child alone would be better; at least they would figure out some things on their own. Live together as well as you can; enjoy life together as much as you can.

It is hard not to feel that there must be something very wrong with much of what we do in school, if we feel the need to worry so much about what many people call 'motivation'. A child has no stronger desire than to make sense of the world, to move freely in it, to do the things that he sees bigger people doing.

How much people can learn at any moment depends on how they feel at that moment about the task and their ability to do the task. When we feel powerful and competent, we leap at difficult tasks. The difficulty does not discourage us; we think: "Sooner or later, I'm going to get this." At other times we can only think: "I'll never get this, it's too hard for me, I never was any good at this kind of thing, why do I have to do it," etc. Part of the art of teaching is being able to sense which of these moods learners are in. People can go from one mood to the other very quickly.

There are times when even the most skilful learner must admit to himself that for the time being he is trying to butt his head through a stone wall, and that there is no sense in it. At such times teachers are inclined to use students as a kind of human battering ram. I've done it too often myself. It doesn't work.

A word to the wise, or even the unwise, is infuriating because it is insulting. When we teach without being asked, we are saying, in effect, 'You're not smart enough to know that you should know this, and not smart enough to learn it.

Most of us are tactful enough with other adults not to point out their errors, but not many of us are ready to extend this courtesy (or any other courtesy, for that matter) to children.

When they learn in their own way and for their own reasons, children learn so much more rapidly and effectively than we could possibly teach them, that we can afford to throw away our curricula and our timetables, and set them free, at least most of the time, to learn on their own.

What is essential is to realise that children learn independently, not in bunches; that they learn out of interest and curiosity, not to please or appease the adults in power; and that they ought to be in control of their own learning, deciding for themselves what they want to learn and how they want to learn it.

People should be free to find or make for themselves the kinds of educational experience they want their children to have.

Henry Adams
Nothing in education is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance it accumulates in the form of facts.

Aristotle
The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet.

James Baldwin
A child cannot be taught by anyone who despises him.

It is very nearly impossible... to become an educated person in a country so distrustful of the independent mind.

Alec Bourne
It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated.

Joseph Stalin
Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed

Jean Piaget
The principle goal of education is to create men who are capable of doing new things, not simply of repeating what other generations have done -- men who are creative, inventive and discoverers.

Henry Peter Broughan
Education makes people easy to lead, but difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.

G K Chesterton
Education is the period during which you are being instructed by somebody you do not know, about something you do not want to know.

There is one thing at least of which there is never so much as a whisper inside the popular schools; and that is the opinion of the people. The only persons who seem to have nothing to do with the education of the children are the parents.

Alec Bourne
It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated.

Ralph Waldo Emerson
We are shut up in schools and college recitation rooms for ten or fifteen years, and come out at last with a bellyful of words and do not know a thing.

The things taught in schools and colleges are not an education, but the means of education.

I pay the schoolmaster, but it is the school boys who educate my son.

The secret in education lies in respecting the student.

Isaac Asimov
Self-education is, I firmly believe, the only kind of education there is.

Buckminster Fuller
What usually happens in the educational process is that the faculties are dulled, overloaded, stuffed and paralysed so that by the time most people are mature they have lost their innate capabilities.

Epictetus
Only the educated are free.

Paul Karl Feyerabend
The best education consists in immunising people against systematic attempts at education

Malcolm ForbesEducation's purpose is to replace an empty mind with an open one.

Prince Charles, 2004
What is wrong with everyone nowadays? Why do they all seem to think they are qualified to do things far beyond their technical capabilities? This is to do with the learning culture in schools as a consequence of child-centred system which admits no failure. People think they can all be pop stars, High Court judges, brilliant TV personalities or infinitely more competent heads of state without ever putting in the necessary work or having natural ability. This is the result of social utopianism which believes humanity can be genetically and socially engineered to contradict the lessons of history.

Robert Frost
Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper.

Education is hanging around until you've caught on.

Horace Mann
Education, then, beyond all other devices of human origin, is the great equaliser of the conditions of man, - the balance-wheel of the social machinery.

H. L. Mencken
School days are the unhappiest in the whole span if human existence. They are full of dull, unintelligible tasks, new and unpleasant ordinances, with brutal violations of common sense and common decency.

Martin H. Fischer
Education is the process of driving a set of prejudices down your throat.

Laurence Peter
Education is a method whereby one acquires a higher grade of prejudices.

Bertrand Russell
Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.

We are faced with the paradoxical fact that education has become one of the chief obstacles to intelligence and freedom of thought.

The majority of parents feel affection for their children, and this sets limits to the harm they do them. But education authorities have no affection for the children concerned; at best, they are actuated by public spirit, which is directed towards the community as a whole, and not merely towards the children; at worst, they are politicians engaged in squabbles for plums

Another merit of home is that it preserves the diversity between individuals. If we were all alike, it might be convenient for the bureaucrat and the statistician, but it would be very dull, and would lead to a very unprogressive society."

An orchestra requires men with different talents and, within limits, different tastes; if all men insisted upon playing the trombone, orchestral music would be impossible. Social co-operation, in like manner, requires differences of taste and aptitude, which are less likely to exist if all children are exposed to the same influences than if parental differences are allowed to affect them

Children who are forced to eat acquire a loathing for food and children who are forced to learn acquire a loathing for knowledge.

B. F. Skinner
Education is what survives when what has been learned has been forgotten.

Mark Twain
Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run.

Training is everything. The peach was once a bitter almond; cauliflower is nothing but cabbage with a college education.

I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."

Edward Everett
Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.

Lou Ann Walker
Theories and goals of education don't matter a whit if you do not consider your students to be human beings.

Oscar Wilde
Education is an admirable thing, but it is well to remember from time to time that nothing that is worth knowing can be taught.

Albert Einstein
It is nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for this delicate little plant, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this it goes to wrack and ruin without fail.

He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.

It is a very grave mistake to think that the enjoyment of seeing and searching can be promoted by means of coercion and a sense of duty. To the contrary, I believe it would be possible to rob even a healthy beast of prey of its voraciousness, if it were possible, with the aid of a whip, to force the beast to devour continuously, even when not hungry, especially if the food handed out under such coercion were to be selected accordingly.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world

It should be possible to explain the laws of physics to a barmaid

Thoreau
If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.

Edward de Bono
I have not done a full survey or review of education systems around the world, so that the views I express are based on personal experience. I would say that all education systems I've had contact with are a disgrace and a disaster.

Heraclitus
Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire.

Michael Barber
(Head of Standards and Effectiveness Unit of the Dfee 2002)
The middle years should be so busy, so demanding, so active, so adventurous that adolescents should barely have time for introspection

John Lubbock
Earth and sky, woods and fields, lakes and rivers, the mountain and the sea, are excellent schoolmasters, and teach some of us more than we can ever learn from books.

Jean Bendell 'School's Out'
their ability to see the point in learning the darn thing anyway, the chances are that they will take in very little.

It could be argued that teachers are the best people to teach our children as they have been specially trained for this. But just as equipment is only of vale if the child learns through its use - it has no worth otherwise - the qualifications of the teachers are of little value unless the child is actually learning.

Anne Sullivan (Helen Keller's teacher)
Children require guidance and sympathy far more than instruction.

I am beginning to suspect all elaborate and special systems of education. They seem to me to be built upon the supposition that every child is a kind of idiot who must taught to think.

Petronius (Satyricon)
I believe that school makes complete fools of our young men, because they see and hear nothing of ordinary life there.

Edward Grieg
I have not the least doubt that school developed in me nothing but what was evil and left the good untouched.

John Updike
The founding fathers in their wisdom decided that children were an unnatural strain on parents, so they provided jails called schools, equipped with tortures called education. School is where you go between when your parents can't take you and industry can't take you.

St. Augustine
I learned most, not from those who taught me but from those who talked with me.

Edward Fiske
Trying to get more learning out of the present system is like trying to get the Pony express to compete with the telegraph by breeding faster ponies.

Thomas Edison
I remember that I was never able to get along at school. I was always at the foot of the class.

John F. Kennedy
Let us think of education as the means of developing our greatest abilities, because in each of us there is a private hope and dream which, fulfilled, can be translated into benefit for everyone and greater strength for our nation.

Dorothy L. Sayers
What use is it to pile task on task and prolong the days of labour, if at the close the chief object is left unattained? It is not the fault of the teachers -- they work only too hard already. The combined folly of a civilisation that has forgotten its own roots is forcing them to shore up the tottering weight of an educational structure that is built upon sand. They are doing for their pupils the work which the pupils themselves ought to do. For the sole true end of education is simply this: to teach men how to learn for themselves; and whatever instruction fails to do this is effort spent in vain.

David P. Gardner
We learn simply by the exposure of living. Much that passes for education is not education at all but ritual. The fact is that we are being educated when we know it least.

John W. Gardner
I am entirely certain that twenty years from now we will look back at education as it is practised in most schools today and wonder that we could have tolerated anything so primitive.

Sarah Josepha Hale
There can be no education without leisure, and without leisure education is worthless.

Allan Bloom
Education in our times must try to find whatever there is in students that might yearn for completion, and to reconstruct the learning that would enable them autonomously to seek that completion.

Edmund Burke
Example is the school of mankind, and they will learn at no other.

Sigrid Undset, writer & Nobel Laureate Literature
"I hated school so intensely. It interfered with my freedom. I avoided the discipline by an elaborate technique of being absent-minded during classes."

Trevelyan
Education...has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading.

Daniel Goleman 'Emotional Intelligence'
Who does not recall school at least in part as endless dreary hours of boredom punctuated by moments of high anxiety?

Howard Gardner 'Multiple Intelligences'
The single most important contribution education can make to a child's development is to help him towards a field where his talents best suit him, where he will be satisfied and competent. We've completely lost sight of that. Instead we subject everyone to an education where, if you succeed, you will be best suited to be a college professor... And we evaluate everyone along the way according to whether they meet that narrow standard of success. We should spend less time ranking children and more time helping them identify their natural competencies and gifts, and cultivate those. There are hundreds and hundreds of ways to succeed and many, many different abilities that will help you get there.

We should use kids' positive states to draw them into learning in the domains where they can develop competencies....You learn at your best when you have something you care about and can get pleasure from being engaged in.

Postman & Weingartner 'Teaching as a Subversive Activity'
Everyone, at present, is in favour of having students learn the fundamentals. For most people, 'the three R's', or some variation of them, represent what is fundamental to a learner. However, if one observes a learner and asks oneself, "What is it that this organism needs without which he cannot thrive?", it is impossible to come up with the answer, "the three R's".

English is not history and history is not science and science is not art and art is not music, and art and music are minor subjects and English, history and science major subjects, and a subject is something you 'take' and when you have taken it, you have 'had' it, and if you have 'had' it, you are immune and need not take it again. (The Vaccination Theory of Education?)

'Independent' Editorial 7/1/00
The Government's favourite formula for raising educational standards has the merit of simplicity. We are now top of the European league table in at least one respect: our children are subjected to more national school exams than those in any other country......Parents may comfort themselves with the thought that, however badly educated their children may be when they leave school, they will at least be able to do exams.

Thomas Armstrong
The newer and broader picture suggests that the child emerges into literacy by actively speaking, reading, and writing in the context of real life, not through filling out phonics worksheets or memorising words

Charlotte Mason
We prefer that they [the children] should never say they have learned botany or conchology, geology or astronomy. The question is not, - how much does the youth know when he has finished his education - but how much does he care and about how many orders of things does he care?

Anatole France
Nine tenths of education is encouragement.

Alvin Toffler
In the year 2000 an illiterate person will not be someone who can't read or write, but someone who is not able to learn, unlearn and learn again.

America's schools ... still operate like factories. They subject the raw material (children) to standardised instruction and routine inspection. An important question to ask of any proposed educational innovation is simply this: is it intended to make the factory run more efficiently, or is it designed, as it should be, to get rid of the factory model altogether and replace it with individualised, customised education?

Emma Goldman
No one has yet realised the wealth of sympathy, the kindness and generosity hidden in the soul of a child. The effort of every true education should be to unlock that treasure.

Anatole France
An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't.

Christopher Morley
Read, every day, something no one else is reading. Think, every day, something no one else is thinking. Do, every day, something no one else would be silly enough to do. It is bad for the mind to continually be part of unanimity.

Benjamin Jowett
To teach a man how he may learn to grow independently, and for himself, is perhaps the greatest service that one man can do another.

E. M. Forster
Spoon feeding in the long run teaches us nothing but the shape of the spoon.

Oliver Wendell Holmes
One's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions.

Fats Domino
A lot of fellows nowadays have a B.A., M.D. or Ph.D. Unfortunately, they don't have a J.O.B.

Carl Sagan
When you make the finding yourself - even if you are the last person on Earth to see the light - you will never forget it.

Kierkegaard
Take away paradox from the thinker and you have a professor.

Paul E. Gray
The most important outcome of education is to help students become independent of formal education.

E.M.Forster
School was the unhappiest time of my life and the worst trick it ever played on me was to pretend that it was the world in miniature. For it hindered me from discovering how lovely and delightful and kind the world can be, and how much of it is intelligible.

David Guterson 'Family Matters - Why Homeschooling Makes Sense'
For thousands of years, in thousands of places, families educated their own. This tradition changed not because a better method was found but because economic conditions required it. To work one had to leave one's children; one's children, furthermore, had to be trained for tasks no-one in their purview could be seen doing. For these reasons institutionalised schooling was invented' and while it adequately addressed a set of economic problems it inspired a new set of human ones that are psychological, emotional, and even spiritual in nature.

I do not pine for a different place and time. I only point out what we have traded off. I think certain good things are recoverable, though without the life that once surrounded them they must inevitably take on different meanings. One of these is the tradition of parental and communal responsibility for the daily instruction of the young. Today this is denied us because teaching has been institutionalised, a convenience in a time of industry and profit when citizen-labourers perform economic functions more efficiently without children present. But for whom is such a state of affairs indeed convenient?

Learning theory tells us to teach children as individuals who learn in their own unique manner. The finest possible curriculum is precisely the one that starts with each child's singular means of learning. Instruction and guidance are best provided by those with an intimate understanding of the individual child and a deep commitment to the child's education. These principles derive not merely from the Homeschooling movement but from contemporary research into how children learn. They are not merely adages fabricated by Homeschoolers but precepts grounded in a science that should inspire us to reconsider both our roles as parents and the shape of public education.

Alan Thomas 'Educating Children at Home'
The opportunity to develop and practise social skills in school is quite limited. Children spend nearly all their time in school with other children born during the same academic year as themselves, and a great deal of time outside school as well. In school, there is little social contact with younger or older children and even less with adults. It is easy to see how peer mores, values and codes of behaviour become entrenched, resulting in considerable pressure to conform and the threat of ostracism or exclusion from the group for those who do not. Moreover, up to one and a half hours a day in school is specifically set aside for social recreation in the playground, where children are thrown together with nothing much to do. It is not surprising that playground hierarchies emerge and bullying is rife.

The consequence is that the 'social' skills acquired are those which may be essential for survival in school but have little applicability in the outside world. There is virtually no opportunity to relate socially to adults in school in order to learn wider social skills. Ironically, such skills can only be learned outside school hours. Teachers do, of course, set up social scenarios and discuss with children how to behave in given social circumstances. But these are no substitute for learning through real-life, dynamic social contact

Rabindranath Tagore
School forcibly snatches away children from a world full of the mystery of God's own handiwork, full of the suggestiveness of personality. It is a mere method of discipline which refuses to take into account the individual. It is a manufactory specially designed for grinding out uniform results. It follows an imaginary straight line of the average in digging its channel of education. But life's line is not the straight line, for it is fond of playing the see-saw with the line of average, bringing upon its head the rebuke of the school. For according to the school life is perfect when it allows itself to be treated as dead, to be cut into symmetrical conveniences. And this was the cause of my suffering when I was sent to school....my mind had to accept the tight-fitting encasement of the school which, being like the shoes of a mandarin woman, pinched and bruised my nature on all sides and at every movement. I was fortunate enough in extricating myself before insensibility set in.

Anthony Hopkins
I think children can be very cruel especially in adolescence and if you are slow, and I was (I was in a school which was quite competitive) you do get a lot of slamming about from the other kids... It built up a tremendous resentment in me because I was also bad at sport and athletics and all I could do was play the piano. So I always got the sense in my adolescent years that 'Oh, Hopkins, you know he's, well he's not worth much, or he's a failure.

Thomas Moore
We live in a hierarchical world in which we defend ourselves ....from our eternal infancy and childhood by insisting on a graded, necessary elevation through learning and technological sophistication out of the child into the adult. This is not a true initiation that values both the previous form of existence and the newly attained one; it is a defence against the humiliating reality of the child.

Education means "to lead out." We seem to understand this as leading away from childhood, but maybe we could think of it as eliciting the wisdom and talents of childhood itself. As A.S.Neill, founder of the Summerhill School, taught many years ago, we can trust that the child already has talents and intelligence. We believe that the child intellectually is a tabula rasa, a blank blackboard, but maybe the child knows more than we suspect.

An eternal question about children is, how should we educate them? Politicians and educators consider more school days in a year, more science and math, the use of computers and other technology in the classroom, more exams and tests, more certification for teachers, and less money for art. All of these responses come from the place where we want to make the child into the best adult possible, not in the ancient Greek sense of virtuous and wise, but in the sense of one who is an efficient part of the machinery of society. But on all these counts, soul is neglected.

James Hillman 'The Soul's Code - In Search of Character & Calling' Children present the best evidence for a psychology of providence. Here I mean more than providential miracles, those amazing tales of children falling from high ledges without harm, buried under earthquake debris and surviving. Rather, I am referring to the humdrum miracles when the mark of character appears. All of a sudden and out of nowhere a child shows who she is, what he must do. These impulsion's of destiny frequently are stifled by dysfunctional perceptions and unreceptive surroundings, so that calling appears in the myriad symptoms of difficult, self-destructive, accident-prone, 'hyper' children - all words invented by adults in defence of their misunderstanding.

Often it was not in school, but outside of it - in extracurricular activities or during time spent altogether away from school - that calling appeared. It is as if the image in the heart in so many cases is hampered by the program of tuition and its time bound regularity.

Margaret Mead
My grandmother wanted me to have an education, so she
kept me out of school.

Alice Miller
It is among the commonplaces of education that we often first cut off the living root and then try to replace its natural functions by artificial means. Thus we suppress the child's curiosity and then when he lacks a natural interest in learning he is offered special coaching for his scholastic coaching for his scholastic difficulties.

Marina Warner
'Managing Monsters' The Reith Lectures 1994
Childhood placed at a tangent to adulthood, perceived as special and magical, precious and dangerous at once, has turned into some volatile stuff - hydrogen, or mercury, which has to be contained. The separate condition of the child has never been so bounded by thinking, so established in law as it is today......How we treat children really tests who we are, fundamentally conveys who we hope to be.

Emma Goldman
Since every effort in our educational life seems to be directed toward making of the child a being foreign to itself, it must of necessity produce individuals foreign to one another, and in everlasting antagonism with each other.

John Taylor Gatto
By bells and many other similar techniques they (schools) teach that nothing is worth finishing. The gross error of this is progressive: if nothing is worth finishing then by extension nothing is worth starting either. Few children are so thick-skulled they miss the point.

Teaching means different things in different places, but seven lessons are universally taught from Harlem to Hollywood Hills. They constitute a national curriculum you pay for in more ways than you can imagine, so you might as well know what it is.
1. Confusion 2. Class Position 3. Indifference 4. Emotional Dependency
5. Intellectual Dependency 6. Provisional Self-Esteem 7. One Can't Hide. It is the great triumph of compulsory, government monopoly mass-schooling that among even the best of my fellow teachers, and among even the best of my students' parents, only a small number can imagine a different way to do things

Sir William Haley
Education would be so much more effective if its purpose were to ensure that by the time they leave school every boy and girl should know how much they don't know, and be imbued with a lifelong desire to know it.

Rene Carayol
Monitoring is all about people -- it's about caring, about relationships and sensitivity. As it becomes increasingly in vogue it is becoming too formulated -- concerned with performance metrics, critical success factors, investment and spending. It'll be a disaster.

Charles Handy
It is tempting to impose our goals on other people, particularly on children or our subordinates. It is tempting for society to try to impose its priorities on everybody. The strategy will however be self-defeating if our goals, or society's goals, do not fit the goals of the others. We may get our way but we don't get their learning. They may have to comply but they will not change. We have pushed out their goals with ours and stolen their purposes. It is a pernicious form of theft which kills the will to learn.

Sam Houston
The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government.

Anne Sullivan
I am beginning to suspect all elaborate and special systems of education. They seem to me to be built up on the supposition that every child is a kind of idiot who must be taught to think.

Andrew Linzey
Moral education, as I understand it, is not about inculcating obedience to law or cultivating self-virtue... It is about how we can develop and deepen our intuitive sense of beauty and creativity.

Sir Claus Moser
Education costs money, but then so does ignorance.

Friedrich Nietzsche
In large states public education will always be mediocre, for the same reason that in large kitchens the cooking is usually bad.

Dr. John G. Hibben
Education is the ability to meet life's situations.

R. I. Rees
Formal education is but an incident in the lifetime of an individual. Most of us who have given the subject any study have come to realise that education is a continuous process ending only when ambition comes to a halt.

James B. Stockdale
A liberally educated person meets new ideas with curiosity and fascination. An illiberally educated person meets new ideas with fear.

Carl Rogers
It seems to me that anything that can be taught to another is relatively inconsequential, and has little or no significant influence on behaviour. I realise increasingly that I am only interested in leanings which significantly influence behaviour. I have come to feel that the only learning which significantly influences behaviour is self-discovered, self-appropriated learning. Such self-discovered learning, truth that has been personally appropriated and assimilated in experience, cannot be directly communicated to another. As a consequence of the above, I realise that I have lost interest in being a teacher.

The only person who is educated is the one who has learned how to learn and change.

Anthony Storr
It appears, therefore, that some development of the capacity to be alone is necessary if the brain is to function at its best, and if the individual is to fulfil his highest potential. Human beings easily become alienated from their own deepest needs and feelings. Learning, thinking, innovation and maintaining contact with one's own inner world are all facilitated by solitude.

Benjamin Rush,Signatory of the US Declaration of Independence
"Let our pupil be taught that he does not belong to himself, but that he is public property. He must be taught to amass wealth, but it must be only to increase his power of contributing to the wants and demands of the state. [This education] can be done effectually only by the interference and aid of the Legislature."

Ellwood Cubberley,Dean of Education Stanford
"Our schools are, in a sense, factories, in which the raw products (children) are to be shaped and fashioned into products to meet the various demands of life. The specifications for manufacturing come from the demands of twentieth-century civilization, and it is the business of the school to build its pupils according to the specifications laid down." -

William T. Harris, Commissioner of Education U.S 1889
"Our schools have been scientifically designed to prevent overeducation from happening. The average American (should be) content with their humble role in life, because they're not tempted to think about any other role." -

Lester Frank Ward,Professor of Sociology, Brown University
"The secret of the superiority of the state over private education lies in the fact that in the former the teacher is responsible to society...the result desired by the state is a wholly different one than that desired by parents, guardians, and pupils."

Edward Ross
Professor of Economics, Stanford University, 1900
"[The role of the schoolmaster is to] collect little plastic lumps of human dough from private households and shape them on the social kneading board."

H.L. Mencken
"The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."

John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools."The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be interdependent."

Chester M. Pierce, Harvard psychiatrist expert in public education: 1973 International Education Seminar
"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future."

Harper's Magazine
May 2004 Chance that an American adult believes that 'politics and government are too complicated to understand': 1 in 3, Chance that an American who was home-schooled feels this way: 1 in 25

[BusyBee]

Moje je dijete danas ribalo sapun u kanticu i dodavalo sodu bikarbonu i objasnjavalo baki da je bolje prati s time jer je jeftinije i zdravije za ljude i okolinu.

Onda je na moru nasa prozdrljiva kujica pojela bumbara (sori Sonja sto sam ti vikala u uho, tocno sam ga vidjela kad je doletio i nisam stigla upozoriti Kristiana prije nego je ova zagrizla u bumbara) pa smo imali kratki tecaj o alergijama i hitnoj pomoci.

[flower]

D. je rostiljala, bila je zaduzena za smrk s vodom...palila je vatru i gasila...dosla je nadimljena i sretna

nisi se tako jako derala jel sve OK s Ginger?

[BusyBee]

Je, zvali smo veta odmah i rekao je na sto tocno da pripazimo i ispalo je da ga je progutala i da je nije uspio ubosti u jednjak... ili je bumbar pobjegao, ali cini mi se da ipak nije. No, dobro je proslo.

[sundrops]

Saradadevii,puno ti hvala sto si zapocela ovu temu,i hvala svim mamama koje su se ukljucile. otvorenog sam srca za ovakav oblik usvajanja znanja i vidim se u tomu odavna,kad jos nisam ni razmisljala o trudnoci.volim citati,pogotovu djecje knjige/enciklopedije i sl. jer su pune slika i pisane toplijim,
jednostavnijim nacinom,i vjerujem da ce i moj maleni dijeliti ovu ljubav samnom.
planiram ako i Eli bude pokazao zanimanje, posjesti ga kraj sebe za klavir i uciti glazbi..kao i jos mnogo cemu drugomu,u vremenu koje budemo imali nakon sto se vrati iz redovne skole.
ja sama sam takodje prosla torturu u osnovnoj skoli,a zapocela je nastavnicom koju smo imali od prvog do 4 razreda,a koja nas je mlatila i kaznjavala sve u sesnaest.sada gledajuci na to,pitam se zasto su moji roditelji to dopustili,tj odakle jednom nastavniku pravo da mlati djecu?Valjda im je to bilo okei,obzirom da su me i kod kuce mlatili.sjecam se da su se samo jednom sazalili nadamnom,kada me je ta nastavnica isibala po rukama-dlanovima jer sam pretrcala cestu ispred skole,gdje nije bila zebra.Tata i mama su se sazalili nadamnom jer sam u to doba imala problema sa ljustenjem dlanova-koji su se znali do krvi "izguliti".Ne volim pricati o ruznim stvarima,no obzirom na danasnje drustvo,na djecu koja odmalena bulje u tv i upijaju nasilje koje se sveudilj prikazuje;dosta rezignirano gledam na takvo skolovanje.
Voljela bih saznati na koji nacin bismo mogli u hrvatskoj provesti nacin obrazovanja o kom pricate.Ivarice,koliko vidim tvoj maleni je veci pa kako ti to provodis?I ostale mame,molim vas za savjete.hvala vam unaprijed.

[Saradadevii]

Sundrops, dobrodosla u Otherwise Club!

Voljela bih saznati na koji nacin bismo mogli u hrvatskoj provesti nacin obrazovanja o kom pricate.

za pocetak, vjerojatno time da se pocne javno pricati o toj mogucnosti obrazovanja, mozda okupljanjem neke grupe roditelja koji su zainteresirai za takav nacin obrazovanja djece, prevodjenjem knjiga o HE, pritiscima na vladu da mijenja zakone i omoguci tu opciju.

[dijanam]

Ubi se dok sam ovo citala, ali vrijedilo je truda.

Ivarice, kako sad stojis s tim da sloboda i odgovornost ne idu skupa? Ja bi rekla da to ovisi iskljucivo od nacina na koji definiras slobodu (flower je napisala i ja se slazem). Sloboda podrazumijeva odgovornost.

Ja bih isto rado opciju "samoobrazovanja" jer to se na kraju na to svodi. Ja zbilja nisam puno truda ulozila u obrazovanje svoje djece, ali ono sto ih zanima uce s lakocom.

Saradadevii, evo ti i od mene za nacin na koji pises o tome. Kako nas je netko uvjerio da je potrebno da nam djecu poducava netko drugi dok mi zaradjujemo radeci nesto drugo da to omogucimo. Jednako o tome pise i P. Leach u Prvo djeca, ali o "cuvanju" djece.

Ono sto medjutim spominjes da bi se mame koju biraju biti doma gledale ili kao lijene ili kao bogate je u HR malo drugacije. Veca je vjerojatnost da bi ih se gledalo kao konzervativne i nesposobne.

Ja ne znam kako cu ja sa skolom na kraj. Mozda ko Ivarica. Kako mi je muz slicnih stavova, mislim da ce nasa djeca morati biti malo odgovornija prema skoli od nas .

A vec sam negdje napisala kako ce mi ocjene biti totalno nebitne pa je bilo i zgrazavanja.

Ali pricekajmo jesen, mozda cu drugaciju pjesmu pjevati.

Svaka generacija kroz cijelu povijest naivno misli da sve počinje od nje. Barem oni koji povijest ne poznaju.
U svim razdobljima i svim dijelovima svijeta ljudi su i u prošlosti voljeli svoju djecu i pokazivali to.
Voljela bih da mi jednom netko objasni zašto bi srednji vijek bio mračan. Profesionalno se bavim srednjim vijekom već niz godina i nisam našla zašto bi tako bilo.

Hehehe..nisu imali sapuna, kalodonta, mobitela i ostalih gadgeta koje su naš shiny svijet učinile tako lijepim i pravednim,a bome ni struje da ga rasvijetli.

Ja nemam pojam o ovom konceptu učenja kod kuće i nikad za to nisam čula..ali ovako..u rebra, ne čitajući sve postove, pada mi nekoliko spontanih općenitih primisli. Kad netkoga uče roditelji kod kuće. Ili ga dva dana uči škola pa tri dana mama pa pet dana tata.. kako izmjeriti znanje? jel se to opet mora provlačiti institucionalno? Nije li to onda još grozniji stres? Ili to prolazi bez testiranja? Pa se u biti ne zna što se zna? Tko bi djecu podučavao? Kako jedna osoba može biti kompetentna podučavati beskičmenjake, mračni srednji vijek, skupove prirodnih brojeva i priloške oznake? Što ako se dijete protivi učenju zemljopisa? Moram priznati, meni je skroz nejasna pedagoško-tehnička logistika toga...ili se uči ono što dijete trenutno interesira bez vezivanja uz programe formalnog, institucijskog obrazovanja? Kako bi onda tako educirano dijete ulovilo korak sa svojom generacijom? Nije mi jasno....

I kako će se odrastao čovjek koji je kao dijete navikao ne imati obvezu odlaska u školu onda priviknuti da će jednog dana morati raditi 8, 9 ,10 sati u nekom uredu ili tvornici, institucionalizirano po potrebi poslodavca na život prepun stresa izvan gnijezda obitelji?
I zašto u prvom postu citirane teorije dolaze, koliko vidim samo iz anglosaksonske literature, iz zemalja gdje djeca nemaju "opterećene" školske programe, a imaju najviše kreacije i slobode u školi...iz zemalja koje najviše na svijetu uvoze intelektualnu radnu snagu?

I zašto je toliko teško saznanje da moramo u osnovnoškolskoj ili gimnazijskoj dobi učiti nešto što ne volimo? Koliko netko može biti kompetentan u toj dobi razlučiti što mu treba a što ne? Ja sam, na primjer - u dobi od 7 godina, htjela postati partizanka...

I kako je to...socijalizacija precijenjena? :? Ako je od 6 mjeseci života..onda da..ali ako je od 6-7 godina...što je tu precijenjeno. Gdje je provedeno takvo istraživanje da je donesen takav zaključak?

I zašto ako nama smeta školski program, klupe jedna iza druge, udžbenici i koješta...zašto mislimo da našoj djeci to isto tako smeta i teško pada? Smatram da u školi postoji normalan slijed stresnih i lijepih događanja, kao i u životu..a da lijepih ima kudikamo više nego stresnih. I da smo svi imali nezgode s nezgodnim učiteljima, kao što ćemo u životu imati nezgode s nezgodnim ljudima. Pa ti se kad odrasteš smiri osjećaj nepravde, jer ima mnogo većih nepravdi od onih koje si iskusio u školi. I uopće ne mislim da postoji nešto nazvano "preopširni" program. Nema toga što djeca ne mogu prožvakati, a našim intevencijama mislim da ih i same uvjeravamo da to ne mogu. Medvjeđa usluga. Redukcijama se samo osiromašujemo.

Kako nas je netko uvjerio da je potrebno da nam djecu poducava netko drugi dok mi zaradjujemo radeci nesto drugo da to omogucimo.

Možda zato jer nismo kompetentni sve znati, a ako i sve znamo..možda to i nismo u stanju pretočiti u našu djecu? Ja bih svoju djecu učila i modeliranju malih željeznica i kultivirianju vrtova i sviranju čembala...da da...tko bi htio biti dijete takve teaching mame.....Ja, npr, više volim svoj posao nego što bih voljela predavati kemiju koju ne volim svojem djetetu.. Volim ja objašnjavati svojoj djeci. Ali da mi to bude misija...pitam se kakva bih bila od natjeravanja do ispunjenja kvote znanja koja bi po meni bila OK...kako uopće izbjeći subjektivnost?
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