Spavanje

[Lu]

nemam pojma, meni se desio samo 2 puta da je potpuno prespavao noc pa sam u panici isla gledat dal je ziv. bio je poceo spavat po 8-9 sati ali sad opet ludilo. sve bi bilo super da ja mogu ic spavat kad i on ali to mi je jedini mirni period u danu pa dok obavim sve i krenem na spavanje taman zaspim a on krene!! pokusala sam ga u snu nahranit prije nego legnem kao da ce onda duze spavat ali ma kakvi!! posisao on to ili ne budi se u isti sat. i onda ispadne da nocu sisa skoro vise nego danju. i nije to kao da malo pocica za umirenje, nego se bas najede. dok ne isprazni, ne pusta. inace sisa svaka tri sta i kao da ga je neko navio, spavao on ili se igrao kad dodje na minutu tri sata od sisanja on krene urlat. dakle pitam se postoji li nacin da se covjek naspava!!! imaju li mame koje hrane adaptiranim iskustva da bebe spavaju citavu noc?? tu mame s kojima pricam a gotovo sve hrane adaptiranim (dojenje je izgleda ovde out ) kazu da su im vec sa mjesec dana spavali citavu noc :? :? . jedna mi kaze da ga legne u 9 i ujutro ga u 9 mora budit da bi izasla na kavu? jel to moguce i ako je zasto je tako???

[anek]

ali to mi je jedini mirni period u danu pa dok obavim sve i krenem na spavanje taman zaspim a on krene!!

to ti je klasična situacija...

i nije to kao da malo pocica za umirenje, nego se bas najede. dok ne isprazni, ne pusta.

jel ti to pišeš o mom Vidu?

tu mame s kojima pricam a gotovo sve hrane adaptiranim (dojenje je izgleda ovde out ) kazu da su im vec sa mjesec dana spavali citavu noc :? :? . jedna mi kaze da ga legne u 9 i ujutro ga u 9 mora budit da bi izasla na kavu? jel to moguce i ako je zasto je tako???

pa čuuj, bočica baš nije tako interesantna, mekana, mirišljava i mljekeco nije baš taaako fino ko u ciki, tak da se nemaju zašto buditi! :D bočica je bočica s hranom, a cika je puno, puno više djeci od hrane - pa je žele što više uz sebe..

[hildegard]

I Jakob prolazi kroz razno razne faze. Valjda traži kak mu najbolje odgovara. Nekoliko dana se budi svaki čas, sad zadnjih par dana u noći traži cicu jednom i spava od 21 do 7,30 (doduše probudi se on češće ali natrag zaspi bez da ga diram).A ako se slučajno probudi kad mi idemo spavati (tj. mi ga lupanjem probudimo) naklopa se ali se svejedno probudi oko 1,30h kao i svaku noć.

[marena]

e i mi se možemo pridružiti, baby ima 10.5 mj. i prva 4. se budila ko urica, svaka 3 sat bi posikila , ali nakon toga je uslijedio period u kojem ona mene budi svakih sat-dva i sisa mi je non-stop vani, samo osjetim kad je uvuče :? moram učiti,ali baš mi je koncentracija u komi. e, ako mi netko može napisati naslov neke knjige koja se može kupiti u našim knjižarama (ne bih preko interneta) pa da pokušam, samo nisam pristaša metode : pusti da plače.

[puros]

bembo spava do 7 ili 8 navečer do 4 ili 5 ujutro. po danu spava tu i tamo po pola sata i to je to. naravno da se svako 4 sata u prosjeku budi za hranu. ja sam za sad zadovoljna iako čujem da ima beba koje od prvog dana života koje spavaju cijelu noć bez prekida i ne traže hranu.

[Lutonjica]

marena, i u profilu i u algoritmu mozes naruciti "the no cry sleeping solution" od elizabeth pantley.. cekat ces mjesec dana, ali nece bit prek interneta...

[Mima]

bembo spava do 7 ili 8 navečer do 4 ili 5 ujutro. po danu spava tu i tamo po pola sata i to je to. naravno da se svako 4 sata u prosjeku budi za hranu. ja sam za sad zadovoljna iako čujem da ima beba koje od prvog dana života koje spavaju cijelu noć bez prekida i ne traže hranu.

Puros, super je što se bembo budi za hranu! Lea se ne budi, pa je mi moramo buditi sami i onda ona neće baš jesti, a bebe se ne smije pustiti da spavaju cijelu noć bez hrane (nikako duže od 6 sati) jer mogu upasti u hipoglikemiju.

[koky]

Ja sam vam drage moje vec pocela gubiti nadu da cu ikad vise spavati do jutra u komadu. Svenac od rodjenja bas nije neka spavalica. Po danu mi uredno odvali ili jednom po 3 sata ili dva puta po sat do sat i pol ali po noci...
Navecer mi nece spavati prije 21.30h a zna rastegnuti i do 22.30h s tim da mu nedam spavati poslije nekih 17h, a po noci se budi minimalno 2 puta.
Jos mi je ostalo manje od dva mjeseca porodiljnog i koma mi je kad se sjetim da cu se jos morat dizat nakon tih noci i ic raditi :/

[Kejt]

ela ima mjesec i šest dana
prespava cijelu noć
kupanje je u 19 pa dojenje i, trebalo bi bit - spavanje, ali uspavljivanje zna potrajati i do 23, sinoć do ponoći
legnem kraj nje, dojim, mazim ju, dignem da podrigne, nosim, nunam ... nekad zaspi za pola sata, nekad kao sinoć ...
jutros je spavala do 8-i-nešto-sitno, presvukla sam ju, podojila i još spava (11,15) - je li to zato što je sinoć kasno zaspala ? razmišljam da ju probudim, a žao mi ... ???
i inače, ujutro se probudi, pojede i nastavi spavati do 11, podne - može li to biti razlog što navečer ne može zaspati ?
popodne je dosta nervozna, a ne spava, ne pokušavam ju uspavat nego ju samo nosim i dojim jer mi se čini da ju to umiruje (ali ne i uspavljuje)
što mislite, što krivo radim ? ili da ju pustim da bude kako ona hoće i gotovo ?

[ivy]

Moje drago zdravo, veselo i uhranjeno dijete ima sedam mjeseci i jos nikada nije prospavalo noc.
da prospavalo, nama je prospavana noc kada se probudi 4 puta.
sjecam se sa sjetom kada sam se tuzila pedijatrici prije 3 mjeseca kako mi dijete ne zna spavati duze od dva sata
sada se budi svakih sat vremena, nekad i cesce.

sve zivo smo probali, stvarno sve....zna sam zaspati, moze pojesti brdo pahuljica prije spavanja..ili nista...u zadnje vrijeme se i manje dojimo, dakle nije razlog hrana. on pocne plakati jos u snu i onda ga to razbudi.
napravili smo i krvnu sliku i urinokulturu. sve super.

kada je imao 5 i pol mjeseci, odustala sam od kinderbeta (na zgrazanje okoline) i stavila ga sebi u krevet. sad je sto se toga tice lakse i mogu rec da sam se i navikla na taj suludi ritam
jel moguce biti takav frik da se na to naviknem, haha?!?! :shock:

e, sad, ono sto je interesantno, pedijatrica mi je rekla jednu stvar za koju jos nisam cula, da bebina nadbubrezna zlijezda pamti to sto sam se ja budila u trudnoci (nisam brate toliko), pa dok ne pocne sama nesto luciti, da ga budi taj moj ritam.
jel netko cuo za tako nesto?

[Vlatka]

bebina nadbubrezna zlijezda pamti to sto sam se ja budila u trudnoci (nisam brate toliko), pa dok ne pocne sama nesto luciti, da ga budi taj moj ritam.

Ovo kod nas ne drži vodu. Ja sam u trudnoći spavala po cijele dane i noći, a moje se dijete budi svaka 2 sata. Šteta što se nisam unaprijed mogla naspavati za ovo što se sada budim svaki čas.
Do 3 mjeseca sam se hvalila kako R. prespava cijelu noć, od 20 do 7 i iščuđavala se prijateljici čiji se mali budio svaka 3 sata.
Možda sa prestankom dojenja počnu spavati malo više?

[ivy]

moja frendica nije dojila, a mali joj se budio po 11 puta na noc do trece godine

[ivy]

mislim, sorry ak te bediram

btw. mala ti ima prekrasno ime

[hildegard]

Znaš što? Možda i nije baš neka utjeha al nekako se čovjek navikne na to. Eto Jakob ima skoro 17 mjeseci, do 6 mjeseci je spavao odlično a od onda su noći svakojake. Ima da prespava skoro cijelu noć (jaaaako rijetko), ima da se budi 8-9 puta, najčešće je to 4-5 puta i meni je to čisto ok. Nekad niti ne znam koliko puta se probudio. Dam mu cicu, par puta potegne i dalje spava. Najgore mi je kad on spava a ja sam budna i ne mogu spavati (kao npr. ove noći).
I ne mogu vjerovati da ću jednoga dana spavati više od tri- četiri sata u komadu.

[Vlatka]

btw. mala ti ima prekrasno ime

Hvala

Nije mi tolika tlaka to buđenje koliko me bole leđa i kuk. Kada Riana spava s nama još se više ukočim pa me nekada MM mora podizati.
Negdje prije su mi utrnule OBJE ruke, dijete počelo plakati, a ja ne mogu ništa. MM me malo masirao da prođe .

[hildegard]

Kada je Jakob u noći malo duže na cici a je postanem nervozna ili mi je neudobno (ili moram na WC), obavezno probudim MM-a da me masira da se opustim. Pa nek Jakob onda cica do jutra ako želi.

[koka]

Josip sa svojih devet mjeseci još ni jednom nije prespavao noć ,a da se nije probudio bar tri puta i to kad je dobre volje.Inače se budi 5,6,7 puta bez obzira je li u svom krevetiću ili kod nas u krevetu.Jedina je razlika što se ja kad je s nama ne moram dizati nego samo tutnem ciku usta i dobro.Preko dana spava jednom ili dvaput od po ure do ure i po i to je sve.Navečer ritual kreće oko sedam:kupanje,hranjenje i uspavljivanje koje potraje i do devet i po.
I ja se ponekad,ma što ponekad,uglavnom osjećam ko zombi ,ali što je tu je.Nekad imam osjećaj da ću poludit pa onda malo preuzme MM.Nije mi teško,ali da mi je naporno to svakako je.
Kad spava preko dana najčešće mi se ne radi ništa nego ležim na kauču i odmaram od Josipa.Sve kućanske poslove obavljam pomalo kad stignem jer kad je budan traži cijelu mene.

[bebeto]

Mome Mihaelu je u nedjelju godina dana a jos nije ni priblizno prespavao cijelu noc. Uspijeh mi je kad se budi samo dva puta, na uru i oko 4 , a u zadnje vrijeme se svako malo budi, svako dvije ure. Malo ga pomazim, stavim dudu ali nista ne pomaze osim sike. Osim sto se poceo cesce buditi vise nema sanse da spava u svome kreveticu, place ko vodenjak dok ga ne stavim pored sebe u veliki krevet. A bilo bi dobro da on hoce mirno spavati, cijelu me noc gura nogicama, svako malo dobijem medju rebra . Neznam sto je potaklo tu naglu promjenu, mozda cuva mamu jer tata trenutno nije sa nama :D . Pitanje je trebam li mu popustit ili ga ostavit u svome kreveticu slusajuci kako place sto je jako,jako tesko !

[Lindsay]

Kod mene ista situacija, i..... čekam da prođe, što drugo? Mislim da recepta nema.

[ivy]

totalni sam pristalica spavanja u velikom krevetu. mogla bih objasnjavati nekakve teoretske razloge i kako mi je to pomoglo, ali sve se svodi na to da ja osjecam da je to najbolje.
a valjda smo programirani da znamo neke stvari
naravno, ovo se odnosi na mene kojoj se dijete budi svakih sat vremena. da prespava cijelu noc i da mu ne smeta krevetic, onda ok.
ali, zar nije prirodno da dijete spava sa majkom

a za muza ce se vec naci vremena

[dmi]

Nase spavanje je takodje koma. Mislim da se moja devojka boji da ce nesto zanimljivo propustiti pa nece da spava posebno uvece.
Evo ovako to izgleda, npr. sinoc: zaspaal u 15 do dvanaest.prvo budjenje (i cika naravno) 2:30 pa slededce u 6:00, pa seldece u 7:30 pa ustajanje u 10h.
Da me ne shvatite pogresno, ovo je bila FENOMENALNA noc.
Ako zaspi u 21h, budi se u 23, pa u 2, pa 4, pa 6, pa 8-8:30 i ustajanje.
I s vremena na vreme se desava da kad se probudi u 4 i lepo nacoka, nece vise da spava nego odradi turu igranja od 2-2.5 sata, pa onda opet malo dremne.

Kad se samo setim kako je do skoro punih pet meseci spavala.Zaspi u 9 i budi se oko 2 da klopa, pa onda u 6h isto da klopa pa u 9.
E to ja zovem - PRESPAVALA celu noc.

A da, umalo da zaboravim. Od tih famoznih nepunih 5 meseci, nece vise ni u krevetac. Sve smo probali i na kraju dovukli krevet do naseg kreveta i skinuli jednu stranicu. Medjutim ona i dalje spava na mojoj strani kreveta, a krevetac joj sluzi za igranje ujutru kad se probudi.

A MM -a smo do daljnjeg iselile iz spavace sobe.

[tanjads]

Filip puno bolje spava u svom krevetu. Ako slucajno ostane s nama, tj. ako ja zacorim dok ga uspavljujem, onda se budi ko urica-svaka 2 sata. Kad je u kreveticu spava od pol 9 do 1, pa se probudi i cica, pa onda do 5-6, opet cica,predje nama u krevet, pa onda jos odspava do 7-pol 8. Onda 2 sata igranja, pa jos kratka tura spavanja od sat, sat i pol-ovo odspavamo skupa. Cini se da je napokon uhvatio i dnevni ritam. Osim ovog prijepodnevnog spavanja, odspava jos jednu turu, zaspi izmedju 2 i 3 i spava najmanje sat vremena, a najvise 3 sata (to mi dodje ko praznik, ja spremam, citam. surfam po netu-ludilo sto sve stignem kad odrapi 3 sata).
Ovo je sad tako, ali nije uvijek bilo. Nocno spavanje ima ovakav ritam skoro od uvijek. Imao je jedan kratki period kada je prespavljivao cijelu noc, ali je malo dobivao na tezini pa smo ga poceli buditi (pedijatrica savjetovala), pa se vratio na stari ritam. Po danu je znao jako malo spavati, a oko 6 mj. su poceli problemi s skidanjem sa cice i stavljanjem u krevetic. Ja probala po knjizi Svako dijete moze nauciti spavati-malo sam to modificirala da pase nasim navikama...i pomoglo je. Nedavno sam citala neciju skracenu verziju No Cry To Sleep... i skuzila da ja sada radim nesto vrlo slicno tome. Imam taj tekst na kompu pa ga mogu ovdje staviti ako koga zanima.
Eh, da-Filip jest imao kratku fazu budjenja i pokusaja igranja u sred noci (isto oko 6 mj.) ali sam ga ja potupno ignorirala. Pravila sam se da spavam, tj. virila kroz trepavice da ne padne s kreveta i svako toliko ga obarala nazad u lezeci. Tri noci je bio budan po sat vremena, bauljao po krevetu, galamio i sl. (bez odgovora od nas dvoje)a onda je odustao i poceo normalno zaspivati cim pocica.

[ivy]

Nedavno sam citala neciju skracenu verziju No Cry To Sleep... i skuzila da ja sada radim nesto vrlo slicno tome. Imam taj tekst na kompu pa ga mogu ovdje staviti ako koga zanima.


Hocemo tekst!

[tanjads]

NO CRY TO SLEEP SOLUTION (SAZETAK)

Ja samo skinula s Mame i bebe, sazetak napravila Tatjana5.
Ako nije ok sto sam to ovdje stavila moderatorice brisite. Znam da puno ljudi muku muci sa spavanjem, a ovo zbilja ima smisla.


" NEKI OSNOVNI SAVJETI:
- keep the last hour before bedtime fairly low-key and keep to your bedtime routine EVERY night

-follow a flexible yet predictable daytime routine because it helps to set baby's biological clock-- and earlier bedtime does NOT mean earlier awake time! if baby is going to sleep too late, she might be too tired to sleep properly!

-it's a cycle- good naps mean good night sleep and vice versa


HOW TO GET THE SHORT NAPPER TO SLEEP LONGER – ovo je jako vazno jer navodno sto beba vise i kvalitetnije spava preko dana, to bolje spava po noci
"...put your baby down for a nap. set a timer or keep your eye onthe time. about 5-10 min BEFORE the usual awakening time, sit outside the bedroom door and listen carefully (using this time to read, knit, fold laundry, pay bills, etc). The minute your baby makes a sound, go in quickly. you'll find him in a sleepy, just-about--to-wake-up state. Use whatever technique helps him fall back to sleep-bf, rocking, or offerin bottle/paci. if you've caught him quickly enough, he sill fall back to sleep. after about a week or so of this intervention, your short napper should be taking a much longer snooze without any help from you..."

-introduce a lovey (plisani medo, krpica, mamina spavacica…)

-develop key words as a sleep cue and only use the during sleep time (shhh, shhh it's ok, its sleepy time for example)

-use music or sound as sleep cues and use when baby wakes at night


GET YOUR BABY READY
before you attemt to make any changes in your baby's sleep routine, make certain that she is comfortable, healthy and well fed. a baby who is hungry, cold, too warm, or has an ear infection, allergies, or any other helth problem may wake at night because of pain or discomfort. rule out these issues before you embark on your plan for better sleep
--FILL THAT DAYTIME TUMMY
make sure your baby is getting enough to eat during the day, especially if he is exclusively bf or formula fed. some babies get in the habit of nursing or drinking bottles all through the night, taking an inordinate percentage of their daily calories then. to slep longer at night, these babies need to tip the feeding scales back toward daytime. for those little ones eating solids, make sure that MOST food choices are healthful ones...good nutrition is important for overall healh, including good sleep. take a look at what your toddler eats in the hours before bedtime. does he munch on foods that are conducive to good sleep? some foods are more easily digested thatn others and are less apt to disrupt sleep cycles. think ''comfort food''- complex, healthful carbs and nourishing proteins... in contrast, many foods tend to ''rev' the body a bit. look for hidden caffeine and other stimulating substances...
--BREASTFEED MORE DURING THE DAY
--CHECK BABY'S NIGHTTIME COMFORT
make sure baby's bed is very comfortable (not TOO soft or yeilding). dress him according to the temperature of the room, takeing care he is neither too cold nor too hot
--DEVELOP A BEDTIME ROUTINE
a bedtime routine becomes your baby's signal that bedtime is here. it invokes a conditioned response from baby: ''Oh! Ti's bedtime! i should be sleepy!'' a routine for the hour before bedtime is crucial in cueing and prearing your baby for sleep. include any of the following that you enjoy and that help ssoothe and quiet your baby: warm calm baath, massaging, reading books, singing songs, playing soft music, taking a walk, rocking, bf, bottlefeeding. the hour before bed should be peace ul. you routine should be done in rooms twith dim lights. your last step should end in the quiet, dark bedroom w/ little talking and you usual go-to-sleep technique. write down your routine, and make it very specific. a sample bedtime routine would look like this:
1. 7:00pm- bath
2 massage w/ baby lotion
3 put on pj's
4 read 3 books
5 lights out
6 sing lullaby
7 bf or bottle feed
8 rub back
9 sleep
--A ROUTINE HELPS SET BABY'S BIOLOGICAL CLOCK
in addition to the routine itself, if you can put your baby down for anaps and bed at about the same time every day, you wil achieve sleep success much sooner, because the consistency will help set your baby's internal clock. an added bonus of this dea is that a specific routine organizes your life, reducing your stress and tension
--A FLEXIBLE ROUTINE IS BEST
...try and maintain your bedtime routine as often as prossible, but watch your baby too. if your LO is fussing and yawning it's not the time to have a bath and read a bedtime story! it's the time to skip some steps and get him to bed ASAP! you may have to forfeit your entire routine some nights; if Great-grandma is having her 100th bday party don't feel that you have to leave at 6pm sharp to get your bedtime routine going. there are times when you'll have to go with the flow and get back to routine the next night
--ESTABLISH AN EARLY BEDTIME
many people put their babies to bed much too late, often hopint that if baby is ''really tired'' he will sleep better. this often backfires because baby becomes overtired and chronically sleep-deprived. in THE PROMISE OF SLEEP (Dell, 200) Dr. William C. Dement states,'' The effects of delaying bedtime by even half an hour can be subtle and pernicious [very destructive]'' when it comes to babies and young children. a baby's biological clock is preset for early bedtime. when parents work with that time, a baby falls asleep more easily and stays alseep more peacefully. most babies are primed to go to sleep for the night as early as 6 0 or 7pm. it is helpful if you establish your baby's bedtime and plan for it y beginning your prebed routine an hour before, if at all possible. i often hear about how babies and young children have a 'meltdown' period at the end of the day, when they get fussy, whiny, and out of sorts. i now suspect that it's simply a sign of overtired children longing for sleep.
--FOR BABIES, EARLY TO BED DOS NOT MEAN EARLY TO RISE
--WHAT ABOUT WORKING PARENTS?
if you are a working parent and your evening w/ your LO BEGINS at 6 0-7pm, you may find yourself torn between keeping your baby up for some playtime and getting him right to bed. because you are readin g this book, i know that you would like your baby to sleep better. this is a key idea, so it may be worth trying it out to see what the results are for you. some working parents find that when their baby goes to sleep earlier, and sleeps better, he awakens in a pleasant mood, eager to play. because you, the parent, have gootten a good night's sleep, you can consider gettintg up earlier in the morning and saving sometime before work to play with your baby, as an altnative to that late-evening play session. you'll both enjoy that special morning time. later, when your baby is consistently sleeping through the night, every night, you can then move the bedtime a little later and judge whether the differnece affects you baby's sleep.

--HELP YOUR BABY TAKE REGULAR NAPS
... when? if baby takes 3 naps: midmornigng. early afternoon, and early evening.. if baby takes 2 naps: midmorning and early afternoon.. if baby takes 1 nap: early afternoon
--THE NAP ROUTINE
once you've established a nap schedule for your baby, create a simple but specific nap routine that is differnnt from your nightitme routine. it can gave similarities that signal sleep, for example, the presence of a lovey or special sleep-inducing music. folllow your nap routine the same way every day (except, as i mentioned before, if your baby is showing clear signs of being tired and ready to sleep. then abbreviate or even eliminate your routine for that day.)

IMPORTANT: IF YOU ARE WORKING ON SOLVING A FREQUENT NIGHT-WAKING PROBLEM, DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WORKS TO GET YOUR BABY TO NAP DURING THE DAY; A WELL-RESTED BABY WILL RESPOND BETTER TO THE NIGHTTIME SLEEP IDEAS



PANTLEY'S GENTLE REMOVAL PLAN--
E ovo je tehnika kojom se beba "odvikava" spavanja s cicom/bocicom/dudom u ustima:
"...TO CHANGE BABY'S SLEEP ASSOCIATION- WHEN YOUR BABY WAKES, GO AHEAD AND POP HIS PACIFIER OR BOTTLE INTO MOUTH OR NURSE HIM. BUT, INSTEAD OF LEAVING HIM THERE AND GOING BACK TO BED, OR LETTING HIM FALL ASLEEP AT THE BREAST, LET HIM SUCK FOR A FEW MIN UNTIL HIS SUCKING SLOWS AND HE IS RELAXED AND SLEEPY. THE BREAK THE SEAL WITH YOUR FINGER AND GENTLY REMOVE THE PACIFIER OR NIPPLE.

OFTEN, ESPECIALLY AT FIRST, YOUR BABY THEN WILL STARTLE AND ROOT FOR THE NIPPLE. TRY TO VERY GENTLY HOLD HIS MOUTH CLOSED WITH YOUR FINGER UNDER HIS CHIN, OR APPLY PRESSURE TO HIS CHIN, JUST UNDER HIS LIP AT THE SAME TIME ROCKING OR SWAYING WITH HIM (USE KEY YOUR KEY WORDS IF YOU DEVELOPED THEM). IF HE STRUGGLES AGAINST THIS AND ROOTS FOR YOUR OR HIS PACI OR BOTTLE, OR FUSSES, GO AHEAD AND REPLACE THE PROP, BUT REPEAT THE REMOVAL PROCESS AS OFTEN AS NECESSARY UNTIL HE FALLS ASLEEP.

HOW LONG BETWEEN REMOVALS? EVERY BABY IS DIFFERENT BUT ABOUT 10-60 SEC... IT MAY TAKE 2-5 (OR MORE) ATTEMPTS BUT EVENTUALLY BABY WIL FALL ASLEEP W/OUT THE PROP IN HER MOUTH. WHEN SHE HAS DONE THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER A PERIOD OF DAYS, YOU WILL NOTICE THE RMOVALS ARE MUCH EASIER, AND HER AWAKENINGS ARE LESS FREQUENT...

Pantley's Gentle Removal Plan looks something like this (this example shows a bf baby, but the plan is the same whether baby is bf, using a bottle or paci)

baby is awake and nursing vigorouslly
babys eyes close and his sucking rate slows
you gently remove your nipple
baby roots (moving his mouth open towards you)
try holding the chin, but he'll have none of that!
you put him back to the breast
count: 1thousand, 2thousand,... ten thousand*
you gently remove your nipple
baby roots
you try stalling, but no dice
you put him back to the breast
count thousand, 2 thousand,... ten thousand
you gently remove your nipple
baby roots
you put him back to the breast
count: one thousand, tow thousand,... ten thousand
you gently remove your nipple
baby moves a little, and you gently hold his mouth closed (betsy says- my baby won't let me do this, so i place her on my shoulder and rub her back)
baby doesn't resist, he is nearly out
you place baby in bed
he goes to sleep

* the counting is really moe for you, to give you a gauge to mearuse you r time and a way to keep yourself calm during your repeated attempts. you can be flexible as you figure out what time spacing works best for you and your baby

REPEAT THIS PROCESS EVERY NIGHT UNTIL BABY LEARNS SHE CALN FALL ASLEEP W/OUT THE PROP. IF YOUR BABY IS A "GOOD NAPPER" YOU CAN USE THE TECHNIQUE FOR NAPTIMES TOO.

IF NOT A GOOD NAPPER, DON'T TROUBLE YOURSELF W/ TRYING TOO HARD TO USE THE REMOVAL TECHNIQUE DURING THE DAY. REMEMBER THAT GOOD NAPS MEAN BETTER NIGHTTIME SLEEP- AND BETTER NIGHTTIME SLEEP MEANS BETTER NAPS. IT'S A CIRCLE. ONCE YOU GET YOUR BABY SLEEPING BETTER AT NIGHT, YOU CAN THEN WORK ON THE NAPTIME SLEEP- ALTHOUGH ONCE YOU SOLVE THE NIGHTTIME ASSOCIATION, THE NAPTIME SLEEP MAY RESOLVE ITSELF.

THE MOST IMPORTANT TIME TO USE THE PANTLEY'S GENTLE REMOVAL PLAN IS THE FIRST FALLING ASLEEP OF THE NIGHT. OFTEN THE WAY YOUR BABY FALLS ALSEEP WILL AFFECT THE REST OF HIS AWAKENINGS FOR THE NIGHT. I SUSPECT THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE SLEEP-ASSOCIATION AFFECT... IT SEEMS THAT THE WAY IN WHICH YOUR BABY FALLS ASLEEP FOR THE NIGHT IS HOW HE EXPECTS TO REMAIN ALL NIGHT LONG.

BECAUSE WE WANT NO CRYING, THIS IS NOT A 1-DAY SOLUTION. BUT WITHIN 10 DAYS AS YOU GENTLY BREAK THIS STRONG SLEEP ASSOCIATION, YOU SHOULD SEE A MAJOR REDUVTION IN THE NUMBER OF YOUR BABY'S NIGHT WAKINGS...."

CHANGING YOUR ROUTINE
very often we parents have a routine we have followed with our babies since birth. the final step before sleep is often ursing or having a bottle. some babies, like my Coleton can continue this pattern and still sleep through the night. others, thogh, need to have the final step in their routine changed before tehy begin to sleep all night w/out needing your help to fall back to sleep. what you'll want to do is take an objective look at your final steps in putting your baby to sleep and make some changes if necessary

you may want to use massaging, cuddling, or the key words idea (sleep cues) to help your baby back t osleep. eventually the key words and a loving pat will take over for nursing or bottlefeeding, and then that too will fade away and your baby will be sleeping longer. Here's what one test mommy reported: "i have changed the way i'm putting Carlene to sleep and it's working! instead of nursing her down, i just feed her until she is relaxed and then i just let her do whatever whe wants in the very diim room with me. when she rubs her eyes adn looks sleepy i put her in her crib. i used to go out of the room, hoping she would drift off herself, but she would just get agitated and work herself up until i came back. but now, i juust sstay there. i stand next to the crib and encourage her to sleep. i say my key words, 'shhhh, it's night-night time, close you eyes sleepy girl,' and i tell her that it's OK to go to sleep. i rub her head or her tummy. she shuts her eyes right when i do this. she'll open them back up a few times, but eventually she settles. since i'm not nursing or rocking, she is falling asleep without these, so when she lightly wakes during sleep cycle transition, she is finally able to go back to sleep w/out me. it's been a major breakthrough." Rene, mother or 7-month-old Carlene

HELP YOU BABY TO FALL BACK TO SLEEP ON HIS OWN WHILE YOU CONTINUE TO BREASTFEED AND CO-SLEEP--- this idea may help breastfeeding and co-sleeping babies

let me start by saying that, when you breastfeed and co-sleep, you may find that your baby will wake more often than if she were in a crib down the hall. but you may feel that the reasons that you keep your baby in your bed outweigh the inconvenience of a few night wakings. like you, i have chosen to bresatfeed and co-sleep for many reasons that are important to me- and ive done it will all four of my babies.

one important thing to remember is that "this too shall pass." all of my children eventually slept through the night, and your baby will too. however, there are ways that you can speed up the process of your baby sleeping all night- even while keeping your little one in bed with you

make sure that you've read the safety list in chapter 1. much of what i have read about the dangers associatted with co-sleeping point to unsafe sleeping environments as the real issue. read up on the topic and make a wise and informed decision, and religiously follow all safety measures

the challenge with bf and co-sleeping mother-baby pairs is that each partner is so in tune with the other that the slightest movement or noise will have both awake. mommy and daddy end up creating additional wakings ni between the baby's natural ones, thus creating and all night wake-sleep pattern

the trick is to get baby accustimed to sleping bedise you but able to go back to sleep w/out your help (typically in the form of nursing). you can do this by shortening your nighttime help routines. i know that this is possible because today my son Coleton is 18 months old, still breastfeeding and co-sleeping= and sleeping about 10 hours at night w/out a peep/ this is the same baby that a few months ago woke up every hour or so to breastfeed. so i am living proof that you don't have to give up a sleeping ritual that you ove just to get some sleep. not all babies will respond as coleton did, of course. but many of my test-mommies practice bf and co- sleeping (i will refer to this as CS now..) and many found their own sleep success w/out having to move their babies out of their beds. some stubborn little ones do require a move to another room before they will give up the luxury of nighttime nursing, but do try all of my ideas for a few weeks before you assume this to e correct for your baby.

when baby wakes you probably have a routine to get her back to sleep. for Coleton and me, it was bf. i used to nurse him until he was totally asleep; the niple would literally fall out of his mouth. every hour, we had a very exact pattern. Coleton woke, i shifted him to the other side, i kissed his head, he nursed- a eautiful, soothing ritual. sometimes he would wake up and pucker up, looking for the kiss and the shift. as sweet as this ritual was, after 12 months of this hourly ceremony, i desperately needed a change

STOP FEEDING A SLEEPING BABY
- as with the writing of this book, learning how to break the association was a gradual, thoughtful process that required much self-examination. i found i was responding to Coleton so quickly and intuitively that id pu him to the breast before he even made a real noise- he would fidget, gurgle, or sniff and i would put him to the breast. i began to realize that, on so many of these occasions, he would ave gone to sleep w/out me.

as you know, i am a follower of the "never let your baby cry" rule, and i took it very seriously. what i didn't understand though, is that babies make sounds IN THEIR SLEEP (Tracy Hogg refers to this as a 'phantom cry') babies can even NURSE in their sleep

the first step to helping your baby sleep longer is to determine the difference between sleeping noises and awake noises. when baby makes a noise, stop. Listen. Wait. Peek. as you listen attentively to her noises and watch her, you will learn the difference between sleeping snorts and "i'm waking up and i need you now" noises

when i learned this eye-opeing piece of info, i started "playing asleep" when Coleton made a nighttime noise. i would just listen and watch- not moving a single muscle- until he began to make actual wakeful noises. someof the time he never did; he just went back to sleep!

SHORTEN YOUR NIGHTTIME NURSING TIMES—
you may be fgollowing the pattern that we were- putting baby to the breast then both of you falling back to sleep. it's very easy to do, because the act of bf releases hormones that make mommy sleepy, just as much as the milk makes baby sleepy. the problem is that your baby falls soundly asleep at the breast, and beins to believe that neging the nipple in her mouth is the only way she CAN sleep. therefore, every time she reaches a brief awakening, she looks to re-create her sleep-inducing condition. you can help your baby learn to fall asleep w/out this aid by shortining your nighttime nursing intervals.

when you are sure you baby is awake and looking to nurse, go ahead and nurse him for a short time. Stay Awake! and as soon as he slows his pace from the gulping, drink mode to the low fluttery comfort nursing, you can gently disengage him while pattine or rubbing him (See Pantley's Gentle Removal Plan above)

Sometimes you can put your baby's hand on your breast during the removal, since many babies will accept this touch as a substitute for nursing; it seems tto keep you "connected" and he knows that the milk is nearby if he needs it

another option is to make the latch-on a litte less comfortable and convenient for your baby. so, instead of laying tummy to tummy with you baby cradled in your arm, shift yourself slightly onto your back so that he has to work a bit to keep the nipple in his mout. often he'll decide it's too much effort and he'll let go and go back to sleep

if your baby whimpers at any point during this removal process, or somehow letsyou know that he is up for real (by crawling onto your chest for example!) go ahead and bf him. then repeat the process to kee the nursing session short, and disconnect him before he is deeply asleep/

sometimes, it may take 3-5 time before you baby will settle back into sleep. after a week of using this technique with Coleton, he began to disengage HIMSELF, turn over with his back to me, and fall asleep! it was wonderful; perhaps only a cs and bf mommy can understand just how sweet her baby's backside can be at this time. in fact, coleton (at this writing 18 months old) STILL does this; he nurses until he's very comfortable, then rolls away from me and goes to sleep. now that he's sleep 10 or so hours, i leave him in bed with his brother david in our sleeping room and i am free to join my husband in our own bed for baby-free sleep and couple time

MOVE THE MILK—
here is another idea eespecially for co-sleepers. after you nurse your baby, scoot yourself away from her. if she is snuggled right up against you, she will awaken and want to nurse more often- sometimes, as i mentioned earlier, even in her sleep. if your baby is used to feeling you against her, then you may want to try a tactile replacement. a small stuffed animal is perfect for the job. simply place the toy next to your baby's body or legs (away from her face) when you move away, so that she feels something against her.

for those persistant night nursers, you may even want to change your sleeping arrangement for a few weeks until you get the frequent night waking under control. i put 2 mattresses on the floor next to each other in our sleeping room. during the period of change, i began to nurse coleton on one bed; once he was asleep, id move to the other. granted, it was only 5 feet away, but it was far enough away that i did not cause any additional awakenings. if ou have a crib, you can try the sidecar arragngement- pushing the crib up next to your bed and letting baby have his own sleeping cubby (at the risk of sounding like a nag, follow good safety mearsures if you do this)

i must tell you though that some very persistant co-sleeping night wakers have "mommy radar" and may continjue thsir numerous nightwakings until mommy and baby sleep in different rooms. if you try all of my other ideas, and find tat your baby is still waking frequently you'll need to make that ultimate decision- what's more important right now- cs or just plain sleeping? i cannot answer that question for you, and thereis no right answer. you'll need to examine the needs of every member of your family to determine just what path you should take. even if you decide to move baby to a different sleeping spot, remember that, when he is sleeping soidly through the night, you can welcome him back to into your bed anytime.

you may want to use your key words (Tracy dubs 'sleep cues') to help your baby back to sleep. eventually, the key words and loving touch will take over for nursing, and then that too will fade away, and your aby will sleep longer without waking you.

just like most of the ideas in this book, the one here is based on gradual change over time- no quick fixes or tearful transitions

HELP YOUR BABY FALL BACK TO SLEEP WITH ANOTHER PERSON'S ASSISTANCE—
this idea may help breastfeeding and co-sleeping babies

in most cases, breastfeeding and c-sleeping babies wake up becaue they love having access to mommy all night long. anytime they wake up, they see, hear, smell, and feel you and think, "aha! lovely warm milk and cozy mommy. gotta have it!" so, if you have a husband, partner, mother or someone else who is willing and able to hlp for a week or so, you might want to ask that person to sleep near your baby in your stead.

if your baby is younger than about 18 months, set up a crib, cradle, or mattress right next o the helper's bed, as it's NEVER a good idea for someone other than mom to sleep right next to a tiny baby; only mom has that "mother's instinct" that prevents rolling over on the baby. this should e a person your baby is very close to and comfortable with. if possivle, have him or her start this process with naps for a few days first (if not that's OK- start right in with bedtime)

when baby awakens, have your helper rock, walk with, hum to the baby- anything that helps her go back to sleep. try to avoid using a bottle, as you'll substitute one prop for another. if you helper uses a paci to calm baby, keep in mind that at some point down the road you'll probably have to deal with weaning from the paci. many parents find that they are comfortable with that scenario.

tell your helper that it isn't "do or die." in other words, if baby starts to cry and get upset, or if your helper is losing patience, tell him or her it's OK to bring the baby to you. and try again with the next waking. when baby comes to you (notice i said "when" not "if"), follow the ideas in the sectin called Help Your Baby Fall Back to Sleep on His own While you Continue to Breastfeed and Co- Sleep...



HELP YOUR BABY TO FALL BACK TO SLEEP ON HER OWN
*this idea may help crib sleepers

It's likely that every time your baby is crying or calling out to you during the night you are doing something to help him to fall back to sleep. to gradually get baby to go back to sleep w/out your assistance, you need to shorten these helping routines during the night.

When baby wakes, you probably have a specific routine to get her back to sleep, such as picking her up, rocking her, nursing her, and giving her a bottle or pacifier. as you read in chapter 2, your baby thinks she NEEDS this routine to go back to sleep. we don't want to go cold turkey and cut out the familiar, nurturing pattern that you have established' that's a sure way to cause stress and tears. instead, very gradually modify the LENGTH of your help routine so that you are doing less each night. eventually, your baby will develop a new routine that doesn't require your presence.

When your baby wakes up, go ahead and use your regular means of getting him back to sleep, but gradually SHORTEN the DURATION and VARY THE TECHNIQUE. so, instead of letting him fall asleep totally, encourage drowsiness and then see if he'll finish falling asleep on his own. if he fusses, repeat the process. this ma take 3,4,or more attempts the first few nithts; and you may even have to abort your mission on some nights. over a period of a week or 2 you will see definite progress, which you will evaluate when you do your 10-day logs.

Your nightsmight now look something like this:
-baby wakes
-you pick her up;sit in a chair';; and rock, nurse, bottle feed, or take her to bed with you until she's sound asleep
-the you probably ease her gently into the crib w/out waking her. when you move baby from your arms to the crib, you do it very slowly and carefully, so as to not wake her
-then you creep out of the room and await your next call

if you are going to use this suggestion, and if your baby uses a paci, bottle, or the breast at every night waking, then you will want to incorporate Pantley's Gentle Removal along with the ideas that follow.

I have found that many mothers have been told to respond to their babies immediately and never let them cry. one problem here. "experts" forgot to tell you that babies make sounds IN THEIR SLEEP. babies moan, grunt, snuffle, whimper, and even cry IN THEIR SLEEP. mothers often run to their little ones at the first noise and scoop their babies out of their cribs. i did this with my first baby, 14 years ago, and i can still remember that sometimes she was asleep in my arms before i even got to the rocking chair to sit down. whaat i didn't know was that she had never really been awake.

The first step to helping your baby sleep longer is to determine the difference between sleeping noises and awake noises. i'm not suggesting that you ignore a baby's true cries by any means; she may need you, and this is the only way she can communicate this. in fact, when you wait too long and she wakes up fully-- crying and yelling- she will find it much harder to fall back to sleep. rather, keep her door and yours open, or use a baby moniter. when she makes a noise, stop. Listen. Wait. as you listen attentively to her noises, you will learn the difference between sleeping snorts and "i'm waking up and i need you now" noises.


NAJBITNIJE OD SVEGA: PLAN PO FAZAMA:
The following sample pattern shoes the duration and type of nighttime help being shortened. this is by no means an exact plan, you own method may be quite different, but his will give you an understanding of the concept:

PHASE 1: COMFORT UNTIL BABY'S ALMOST ASLEEP
once you determine your babyis really awake, go and get her. sit in the rocking chair adn rock, nurse, or bottle-feed baby but only until her eyes close, her sucking rate slows, and she's falling asleep. try not to wait until she is totally asleep. stand up with her in your arms and rock or sway gently. when you lay her down, keep your arms around her for a few minutes, making gentle rockin motions (yes, this can be tough on your back, but it's only temporary) she will accept the change from your lap toher bed if you don't abruptly "dump" her there. keep in mind that, when she sleeps on you, you are moving and breathing, while thebed is still and silent. so gentle movement in the trasition helps. once she seems settled, gently slip your arms out from under her. if she stirs, put your hand on her; whisper your key words (pat/shh or what works!!) or turn on the soothing bedtime music; and rock, pat or touch her gently until she's asleep. if she wakes and cries, pick her up, and repeat this process. you may have to do this 2,3,4, maybe 5 times, but that's OK- REALLY. if you or your baby gets upset at any point, just go ahead and put her to sleep in your usual way and ditch the plan for the moment. eventually she will get more comfortable with your new routine and she will go to sleep. she will still be depending on you to help her go back to sleep, but because she is finishing the falling-aslee process in ther crib, she will be one step closer to being able to put herself to sleep when she wakes in the night.

Remember, you are making a change. it may take a while for this to work, but this beats spending another year or more in a sleep-depreived stupor!

When you feel that your new routine is working, go on to Phase 2

PHASE 2: BABY'S SETTLED AND SLEEPY
sit in your chair and rock, nurse, or bottle-feed baby until she's SETTLED and SLEEPY, but not yet falling ASLEEP. play your sleep-cue music or sounds. put her in her crib, pat or touch her, and say your key words (or pat/shh etc.) until she's asleep. if she wakes and cries, pick her up and repeat this process. you may have to do this 2,3,4, maybe 5 times, but that's OK. if you or your baby get upset at any point, just go ahead and put her to sleep in your usual way. as in Phase 1, she will become more comfortable with your new routine and will go to sleep (yes, i repeated that idea; it's important to give yourself permission to stop the process for the night any time it's not working. you will see improvement over time.)

When you feel that your new routine is working, go on to Phase 3.

PHASE 3:COMFORT W/OUT PICKUPS
when your baby makes waking sounds, go immediately to her, but try not to pick her up; instead, play your music or sounds, pat her, touch her, or put your arms around her in the same ways you have been, until she's asleep. while she's falling asleep, say your key words. if she wakes and cries, go ahead and revert back to Phase 2 or even Phase 1, but try to make it brief. And repeat this process.

When you feel that your new routine is working, go on to Phase 4

PHASE 4: SOOTHIHNG PATS
go immediately to baby, but try not to puck her up. lay your music or white noise sounds very quietly, pat her or touch her. just stand by her crib and say your key words. if she wakes and cries, revert to Phase 3 or even 2, but try to make it very brief. Repeat this process.

When you feel that your new routine is working, go on to Phase 5

PHASE 5: VERBALLY SOOTHING BABY
go immediately to baby's room, and stand in the doorway. experiment to determine if you need to turn on your music or sounds. say your key words. if she wakes and cries, revert back to previous phases, but try to make it very brief. and repeat this process.

When you feel that your new routine is working, go on to Phase 6

PHASE 6: COMFORT FROM OUTSIDE THE DOORWAY
go immediatly to baby's room, stand OUTSIDE the doorway where she can't see you, and say your key words. if she wakes and cries, revert back to previous phases, but try to make it very brief. repeat this process.

the idea is to take small gradual steps toward your goal. this example is not meant as a blueprint for every baby; rather, it's one demonstration of the idea. you'll need to examine your own bedtime rituals and modify them slightly every few nights until you reach your sleeping goal.

Keep in mind that the phases are not meant to be rigid, infelxible steps. watch your baby. stay in tune with your own feelings. follow your heart. modify your plan and be flexible as you move through the steps. aslong as you are gradually moving toward your goal of having your baby sleep all night without your company, you eventually get there...."


I? Ko je procitao sve do kraja? Ne znam da li vam se sve cini zbrkano, ali knjiga je kao sto sam rekla vise vodic i cita se individualno i na preskokce, a ne od stranice do stranice.
Ako ima pitanja, probat cu vam odgovoriti, a neka se ukljuce i druge cure koj eimaju knjigu pa da vam nekak pomognemo."

[ivy]

Super, puno, ti puno hvala!
procitala sam do kraja jednom, al je to bilo u tri ujutro (pitaj me tko me probudio, pa cu procitati opet.
ima dosta dobrih savjeta, vrijedi procitati

[Ivana123]

Curice pomazite,
lako je uspavat dijete sa cikom,a sta ako je beba na umjetnoj hrani?
Ja i muz smo ko zombiji, presvucemo ga nahranimo i legnemo, i za 5 minuta evo njega, place ko lud, muz se dize malo ga umiri, opet legnemo, i opet place to traje dok ga ne stavimo k sebi u krevet, onda ja drzim dudu jedno sat i pol da prestane plakat, onda ide lupanje rukama i nogama i nikako da zaspi, budi se samo jednom za hrenu po n oci, tu se ne bunim, ali onda to traje i traje...HELP!

[Annie]

Moj je na adaptiranome i uredno zaspi. U većini slučajeva popapa, podrigne i onda zaspi uz pomoć dude. Ali nekad nema šanse zaspat,pa mu napravim još malo papice, povuće 3-4 puta i zaspi mi dok ga hranim. Možda mu trebaš povećati količinu obroka?

[Ivana123]

Ne znam, mislim da i sad puno jede..Naime, jede 180 ml 5 puta sto je i previse za njega, ima 2,5 mjeseca, podrigne uvijek i visak uvijek uredno izbaci. koliko tvoj jede i koliko je star?

[Annie]

Moj je 3,5 mjeseca i pojede otprilike ko i tvoj (s tim da po noći ne papamo)

[momze]

ja sam knjigu kupila dok sam jos bila trudna. kupila i procitala i - nista! naime, mi iskljucivo dojimo i zanima me da li je ijedna od vas uspjela sa izvlacenjem bradavice? tj. da li je beba zaspala nakon sto sto joj izvukli bradavicu iz usta? ja sam probala prije par noci, i kada sam izvukla bradavicu po 49-i put, odustala sam jer se on toliko rasplakao!

mislim knjiga ima super ideja, ali ja imam posebno zahtjevno dijete, cini mi se...

[Kejt]

ni kod nas ne pali, ela spava po principu - nema sise, nema spavanja! sunce mamino

[momze]

upravo tako, kejt! no, kako ti spava po danu? jel moze spavati bez tebe tj. bez sike?

[Kejt]

koji put uspije, ali ne dulje od pol sata

[sophie girafe]

ja sam uz dojenje mojoj bebi od osam mjeseci ponudila i vode i to se pokazalo super. Popije s si vodice vrati se na cicu i za koju minutu spava. Naravno to vrijedi za bebice koje piju vodu.Mozda nekome pomogne i ta ideja.

[zekana]

Moja bebica ima 13 DANA. Da, da, vjerovatno će nekima biti smiješno što već sada pitam o spavanju- čitam vaše postove i vidim koje probleme mogu mame imati s mališanima do godinu dana.

Naša beba ima jako jake i nekontrolirane pokrete. Pedijatrica je rekla da je to suuuuper kad ju je pregledala. I volim da je živa. Ali ona samu sebe izbudi kod spavanja. Postoje dvije scene.

PRVA SCENA Ako ju povijem u jednu tetru da bih joj smirila rukice onda se usili da barem jednu izvuče i tako se rasrdi i razbudi. Onda mora ići sisa da je smiri- ne postoji (za sada) druga opcija. (dudu još ne dam, ali sam totalno pokolebana)

DRUGA SCENA Ako ju ostavim razmotanu bilo s jednom, bilo s dvije ruke, onda se toliko izlamata po licu da se razbudi i opet raspalče. Onda mora ići opet sisa.

Uzalud mi je, ona bude sita, oprana, presvučena, da je taman i kakala i piškila (za vrijeme pranja guze), zaspe mi dok ju dojim i spustim ju (kakvu god) na krevetac da se ne pomakne. Nek je prošla minuta, nastupaju rukice...
Znam visiti nad njom po pola sata i dragati joj lice i lagano sprečavati rukice da lupnu lice. Ne pomaže...
Sad sam uvela dojenje na ležećki pa mi upravo spava na krevetu. Problem je što se (ne znam zašto) na njemu probudi nakon 45 min. do sat vremena, a neće pustiti sisu sat vremena. I `ajmo nanovo...

Voljela bih naći načina da joj pomognem jer je neću smjeti motati još dugo- idu vrućine. Kako da joj pomognem????

Čisto me zanima ima li netko ovako energičnu bebu

[Beti3]

Bez brige, uskoro će to prestati, mora samo još mrvicu odrasti, možda još samo toliko dana koliko ima.

Ja sam za moju govorila da šteta što ne može struju proizvoditi koliko vitla rukicama i nogicama.

Samo dase periferni nervni sustav razvije i neće više biti tih nekontroliranih pokreta. Pogledaj baby swadling da vidiš koliko čvrsto treba poviti, a da se ne osjeća sputanom.

Evo ti jednu sliku, ali ima ih puno. http://www.google.hr/imgres?imgurl=h...9QEwAw&dur=467

[aliana79]

moja se rodila s puuno duge kose, pa bi ju zgrabila rukicom dok je mlatarala, zatvorila saku i pocela plakat jer ju je cupalo a nije si znala pomoc i otvorit saku. naravno, probudila se. sve ce to proci..sad kad se sjetim toliko su kao mali slatki i bespomocni..i vjeruj mi - to tako brzo prode..uzivajte na ciki, mazite se i pazite..

[lola3]

to ti je klasična situacija...



jel ti to pišeš o mom Vidu?



pa čuuj, bočica baš nije tako interesantna, mekana, mirišljava i mljekeco nije baš taaako fino ko u ciki, tak da se nemaju zašto buditi! :D bočica je bočica s hranom, a cika je puno, puno više djeci od hrane - pa je žele što više uz sebe..

evo da vas razuvjerim, moj mali ima 9 mjeseci i dalje se budi bar dva, a nekad i 5 puta, a na bočici je. bitno mu je samo da ga uzmem i da osjeti mlijeko i nastavi dalje. to je čisti mit da djeca na adaptiranom spavaju bolje

[mishekica]

Zekana, za vas je wombie rješenje...

[zekana]

Noćas od 2 do 6 dežurstvo, buuuuudna kao bijeli dan. Otvorene oči, otvorena usta i mahanje na sve strane, hehe! Odoh sad spavati...

[aliana79]

nocas po prvi puta jedno budenje za cicanje u 4:20h, juuupi
prije dva tjedna krenula je s dva budenja nocu, ai eto nocas iznenadila. do tad smo dojili svaka 2, 3 sata..samo nek potraje. btw. probudila sam se s cikama napetima ko da ce eksplodirati.. happy, happy, happy