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    ima li ko iskustva? Koliko traje operacija?
    Samiju su danas dijagnosticirali, te rekli kad navrsi godinu dana da bi to trebao operisat.
    Inace, sa punih pet mjeseci ima 8 400 i 71 cm

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    a zar se to ne rjesava obrezivanjem?

    pusa velikom djecaku!

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    Pa to se u EU zove operacija.... Samo kod nas jos funkcionisu brice...

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    cuj, brice!
    mislim, nije nikakav problem, svakako bi ga sunetila, a bolje sto prije

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    Dovedi ti njega da mu Skaka uzme mjeru...Kakva operacija.

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    jeste bili kod urologa ili vas pedijatar misli da treba operacija?
    potrazi i drugo misljenje, pogotovo ako nije imao problema do sad

    opca anestezija, nista se ne jede od rano ujutro, operacija traje nekih mozda 20 minuta a iz narkoze se probudi odmah.
    ivar ima 12-13-14 (zaboravila sam, a nema sanse da bi mi sad to dao prebrojati) savova oko glavica, prvi dan jako boli kod mijenjanja gaza, ali drugi dan je vec puno bolje.

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    Ivarice jel to isto bilo obrezivanje?

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    da

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    Ja nemam pojma kako ovdje rade (vaninstitucionalno) al sam sigurna da nema opste anestezije...Mada, za tako malu djecu, najbolje je pod opstom...

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    Nemoj biti tako sigurna
    za malu djecu se i koristi totalna, a za vecu lokalna anestezija. na svim klinikama.

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    Na klinikama da, ali se obrezivanje ovdje radi i vaninstitucionalno kako rekoh...

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    ja mislim da i kod nas ako se suneti nema opce anestezije.
    mi smo isli na cirkumciziju zbog fimoze kad je ivar imao 14 mjeseci, i sve mame s foruma koje imaju obrezanu djecu (ima pokoja) takoder ce potvrditi opcu. jedino je kod nas broj savova drukciji, nemam pojma jel to pitanje stila ili sto, neki imaju sav samo uz onaj rub glavica, ali ivar ih ima kao kao vijenac oko glavica.

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    sad sam sve pobrkala, dakle mislila sam reci da ni kod nas ako se obrezuje iz vjerskih razloga (to ja zovem sunećenje, ali znaci skroz isto ) nema opce anestezije jer se obicno ne ide u bolnicu. ako se ide, onda vjerujem da ima.

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    ovdje to rade pod anestezijom.
    Mislim, mi smo njega planirali svakako sunetit, ali ne bas rano. Ljekar nam je rekao poslije navrsene godine , a ja mislila sa neke tri-cetiri godine.
    Cak smo planirali i sunecenje pod anestezijom, ali eto sad bas moramo.

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    Citiraj ivarica prvotno napisa
    ja mislim da i kod nas ako se suneti nema opce anestezije.
    mi smo isli na cirkumciziju zbog fimoze kad je ivar imao 14 mjeseci, i sve mame s foruma koje imaju obrezanu djecu (ima pokoja) takoder ce potvrditi opcu. jedino je kod nas broj savova drukciji, nemam pojma jel to pitanje stila ili sto, neki imaju sav samo uz onaj rub glavica, ali ivar ih ima kao kao vijenac oko glavica.
    sa 14 mj. operiso, a jos mu se vide savovi?
    Meni nekako zao, ali ce bez obzira na vjerske razloge, morat operisat.
    Nekako mi prerano operacija sa 14 mj.
    Sad sam pricala sa prijateljicom ciji je sin operisan (isto zbog fimoze), ali tek sa tri godine.
    ja sam nekako bas bila zbunjena kada ste pisale o ciscenju pimpaca, jer kod Samija nikako partizanska nije bila nabrana.

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    ajme, sad si me natjerala da skiljim s povecalom pod lampom i ivaru hladnim rukama rastezem ono malo koze sto ima.
    u pravu si :shock: , ne vide se vise savovi, samo ona mala zadebljanja kao tockice, a za koju godinu nece valjda biti ni tog.

    nama nije bilo prerano nego max sto smo mogli prolongirati. da smo mogli (u nasem slucaju) cekati do tri godine, vjerojatno se ne bi ni trebalo operirati.

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    mi trenutno idemo svaki tjedan na razvlačenje kožice kod pedice; ona se nada da će se razvući pa da neće morati na operaciju; samo, ja sam mislila da operacije nije isto što i obrezivanje, sad sam zbunjena.
    al bojan baš ima problema s tim; vidjet ćemo kroz par tjedana; ak se neće dati povući bez problema, bojim se da ćemo i mi kod kirurga :/

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    pa nije operacija isto sto i obrezivanje. ima raznih operacija, ja sam mislila na operaciju obrezivanja :D

    nadam se da cete uspjeti razvlacenjem, a ima i neka krema, natasa30 ce ti reci kako se zove, kojoj su oni uspjeli spasiti kozicu.

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    Citiraj andrea prvotno napisa
    mi trenutno idemo svaki tjedan na razvlačenje kožice kod pedice; ona se nada da će se razvući pa da neće morati na operaciju; samo, ja sam mislila da operacije nije isto što i obrezivanje, sad sam zbunjena.
    al bojan baš ima problema s tim; vidjet ćemo kroz par tjedana; ak se neće dati povući bez problema, bojim se da ćemo i mi kod kirurga :/
    Nije svaki slucaj za operacije. nadam se da cete moci proci bez toga

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    znam da nije, pa je zato nama doktorica rekla da ćemo probat sa tim prevlačenjem svaki tjedan
    već dosta dugo to traje, a nije se baš nešto razvuklo; svaki put ide dosta teško
    nataša30, javi kakva je to krema ?!

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    Citiraj andrea prvotno napisa
    znam da nije, pa je zato nama doktorica rekla da ćemo probat sa tim prevlačenjem svaki tjedan
    već dosta dugo to traje, a nije se baš nešto razvuklo; svaki put ide dosta teško
    nataša30, javi kakva je to krema ?!
    ako ti se Natasa ne javi, sutra cu pitat prijateljicu koju je kremu njezin Bojan (isto se zovu) koristio
    Njima nije upalilo, ali mozda vasem Bojanu upali.

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    ajd, lejla, hvala ti

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    I Mihael ima problema sa presvlacenjem kozice, jako mu je usko i svaki put kada mu ja to radim malo kozice pukne. Onda ne diram par dana da ne ucinim ranu i opet sraste i tako u krug. Pedijatriva nam je rekla da jos pokusavamo a ako stvarno ne bude islo ici cemo kod urologa. Nama je to nekako genetski, i MM je isao na operaciju kao beba i moj otac samo u malo vecim godinama i u svakom slucaju bolje je to napravit kad je dijete skroz malo jer ga manje boli. Operacija traje oko 5 min. (vec smo razgovarali sa doktorom) i daje se opca anestezija, dijete mora ostati jedan dan u bolnici.

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    Nama je pedijatar rekao da prevlačimo kožicu jednom dnevno i da će sve biti OK, ali kod AA je rupica stvarno minijaturna i mislim da smo svjetlosnim godinama udaljeni od uspješnog prevlačenja preko glavića (koji se btw skoro ni ne vidi kada povučem kožicu do kraja). Brine me jer je i MM imao problem s tim što se otkrilo tek u pubertetu i nije išao na operaciju, ali je rješavanje problema bilo vrlo bolno :zgroz: Ako je sve OK, kada se otprilike može prevući kožica do kraja?

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    e sad već i mene strašite. pfff :/

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    I mene. Brrrrrrrr.

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    Citiraj mommy_plesačica prvotno napisa
    Ako je sve OK, kada se otprilike može prevući kožica do kraja?
    andrejčeku sa cca godinu dana. mi smo čitavo vrijeme pomalo povlačili, ali kod njega je to glatko išlo.

    držim fige da mali pimpači ne moraju pod nož!

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    Ima li ti mali problema s piškenjem?

    Snorki imaš jako malog dečka da bi se to tek tako dijagnosticiralo.

    Malo mi je to sumnjiva dijagnoza.

    Daj se posavjetuj s još kojim pedijatrom i po mogućnosti muškog roda. Ono što se dečkim događa u pubertetu kojim imaju značajano veći i razvijeniji penis nije isto kao i bebi od sedam mjeseci. Bolje ne diraj pipija bez značajnog razloga.

    O toj temi se dosta diskutiralo.

    Omogući penisu da ima dovoljno mjesta u peleni za erekcije. Čitaj: mjenjaj često pelene i ne steži ih previše. Kožica će se razvući lakše i bolje ako se penis bude slobodno eregirao. To je prirodni način razvlačenje kožice jer kako dečko raste i kožica prati razvoj penisa.
    Dječacima se penis eregira već u majčinom trbuhu i to ne bez razloga jer i tamo penis raste. Penis se uvijek malo ukruti prilikom piškenja i to ne bez razloga. To mu moraš omogućiti. Nadam se da ne upotrebljavaš nekakve kreme jer to može također praviti probleme.

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    No, da, uplašila sam se, ali sad mislim:

    fimoza kao fimoza postoji, ali sumnjam da je ima u baš tako velikom broju! Kao da je u zadnje vrijeme sve što se možda i normalno događa u razvoju postalo opcija za operaciju. Možda stvarno ne dajemo tijelu dovoljno vremena da se samo posloži.

    Ili - nisam više pametna. :?

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    Citiraj Amalthea prvotno napisa
    Kao da je u zadnje vrijeme sve što se možda i normalno događa u razvoju postalo opcija za operaciju. Možda stvarno ne dajemo tijelu dovoljno vremena da se samo posloži.
    to meni uvijek padne na pamet kad je riječ o hidrokeli (jer s kožicom nismo imali problema).

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    Ja ću se boriti svim silama da ne sjeckamo. Htjeli su mu prije par mjeseci bez anestezije :!!!!: rezati frenulum (kožicu ispod jezika) jer nije mogao isplaziti jezik, ali ja nisam popustila ni docu ni MM. I sada plazi jezičinu k'o veliki.
    Nadam se da ću istu priču moći primijeniti i na pimpača.
    Inače, prije par dana sam primijetila da mu se pišo malo napuhne kad piški pa sad prevlačim kožicu kod svakog presvlačenja i više se ne napuhuje.

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    Citiraj mommy_plesačica prvotno napisa
    Ja ću se boriti svim silama da ne sjeckamo. Htjeli su mu prije par mjeseci bez anestezije :!!!!: rezati frenulum (kožicu ispod jezika) jer nije mogao isplaziti jezik, ali ja nisam popustila ni docu ni MM. I sada plazi jezičinu k'o veliki.
    Nadam se da ću istu priču moći primijeniti i na pimpača.
    Inače, prije par dana sam primijetila da mu se pišo malo napuhne kad piški pa sad prevlačim kožicu kod svakog presvlačenja i više se ne napuhuje.
    Moj brat (sat ima 29 godina), ima kratku resicu ispod jezika. malo suska dok prica i to je sve. Nije nikad dirao.

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    sat-sad

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    Snorki, puno je lakse i tebi a i bebi ako ga vec mislis obrezivat da to uradite dok je jos skroz mali.
    Vama koje se prepadate, samo da kazem da beba (svaka koju ja znam) je zaplakala jedino kad prvi put piski i kasnije je sve ok.
    Ninet, ovo za vaninstitucionalno mi je katastrofa! Iako znam da se desava...

    Faris je obrezan sa 3 mjeseca. To je mjesec prije nego smo mislili...ali samo zato jer je na zalost morao operisat bruh.
    U bolnici je bio bolji od sve djece...a zaplakao samo kad je prvi put piskio.
    Prvi konac ispao 2 dan a za 10 dana kao da nista nije bilo...

    Radili smo pod opstom anestezijom i ikao su svi govorili da je "rutinska" operacija, ja sam plakala ko kisna godina...a sve se zavrsilo puno bolje nego sam i imislila.

    Kad je samo obrezivanje u pitanju znam da se moze raditi i pod lokalnom anestezijom ali onda bebu svezu!!! (bar ovdje kod nas) sto ja ne bih dozvolila ni u ludilu....

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    Nama jos nitko nije dijagnosticirao fimozu, ali stavljam ovdje da ne otvaram novi topic.
    Naime, moj djecak sada ima tri godine i 3mj, kozica nije sasvim porevucena preko glavica, nema nekih osobitih problema, ali ja ne bih da docekamo probleme.Nismo dugo bili kod naseg pedijatra, no on bi uvijek govorio "samo svaki put kod kupanja prevlaciti koliko ide i doci ce to na svoje". U prvo vrijeme stvarno je bilo pomaka, no sada vec godinu-godinu i pol ni makac, a kako je treca godina prosla muz i ja vec mjesecima razmisljamo kako bismo isli nekome da to strucno pogleda no sve nas strah da naidjemo na nekog "dr siledžiju".Nas pedijatar kaze da tu nema mudrosti, dat ce nam on uputnicu za dj. kirurga koji ce uraditi isto sto bi i on uradio:"ogulice ga ko bananu"!!!
    Bio je skoro tekst o tome na portalu, iz kojeg zakljucis da nista ne treba dirati, ali ja bih da mi netko strucan i razuman to pregledom potvrdi.
    Na starom forumu je spominjano prezime jednog doktora u Klaicevoj koji je navodno u tom smislu OK, pa molim nekog od administratora da mi to prezime proslijedi ako je moguce ili ako netko drugi ima dobro iskustvo sa nekim od "tih" doktora da mi da preporuku!

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    max ima 2.5 godina i isto ne može prevući kožicu. ja se ne zabrinjavam dok god nema upala, crvenila i slično. tekst na portalu sve kaže i smatram da za sve ima vremena (naravno, ako već ne postoje neki problemi). MM kaže da se sjeća svoga puberteta i razgovora s dečkima o tome. 50% njih je tek tada uspjelo prevući kožicu, sami, svakodnevnim akcijama (znaš na šta mislim)
    kad čujem od doktora da bi "gulili ko bananu", muka mi je. možda se to radilo prije 30 godina, ali danas više ne. uostalom na kraju teksta na portalu upravo tako i piše, da većina njih pojma nema o novijim istraživanjima i statistikama.

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    Citiraj snorki prvotno napisa
    ovdje to rade pod anestezijom.
    Mislim, mi smo njega planirali svakako sunetit, ali ne bas rano. Ljekar nam je rekao poslije navrsene godine , a ja mislila sa neke tri-cetiri godine.
    Cak smo planirali i sunecenje pod anestezijom, ali eto sad bas moramo.
    Mi smo Ahmeda odmah u bolnici sunetili. Ovdje to ionako odmah rade, nekad u roku od par sati nakon rodjenja. Prije mu je cunica zarasla nego pupak otpao. Ne zelim te strasiti ali poslije kad Sami bude veci imaces vise problema. Moj rodjak se sunetio sa 7 god. horor, jer djeca nemogu mirovat'! Ja sam rahat

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    Cure ako dečke pustite da se dnevno učestalo igraju s pimpačima, ne treba vam doktor. Oni si sami neće nauditi, ali će sve srediti. Znači pelene dolje, zagrijte prostorije i vidjet ćete čuda...Oni koji su duže na forumu znaju da je moj Karlo trogodišnjak bezepelenaš. Mislim da su pelene uveliko zaslužne za fimozu i nemogućnost igranja s vl. penisom.

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    Ma kod nas nije taj slucaj: rijesili se pelena prije druge godine,dakle vec godinu i pol je bez njih, nitko ga ne sputava u igri koju pominjes, no to su rijetki trenuci, obicno kod kupanja ili piskenja.A sad da ga ja nagovaram da se igra sa pimpacem, malo mi blesavo...
    Dobili smo preporuku za jednog doktora pa cemo vjerojatno otici na informativni pregled,bitno mi je samo da nije neki koji ce stupiti u akciju prije nego kazem dobar dan, a djetetov vrisak me upozori na ono sto je upravo napravio.Naslusala sam se takvih prica.

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    maajka krivo si shvatila....tvoj mali će se igrati sa penisom spontano bez da mu ti to na bilo koji način sugeriraš...to je sastavni dio muškog ponašanja čitavog muškog dijela populacije pa i tvog dečka. Ono što može njegova mala rukica napraviti, bolje ti je od rukice "profesionalca" doktora. Kužiš vic? Rezultati su ti jako brzi, a nema šansi da sam sebe povrijedi. Spava li noću još s pelenama? Ako spava skini ih i stavi nešto nepromoćivo na krevet. Najbolje su nepromoćive pamučne podloge.

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    Mom Malom je prof. Batinica na Rebru dijagnosticirao "kompletni oblik kongenitalne fimoze" i naručio nas je za operaciju. Mi bi svakako htjeli prije operacije čuti još nečije mišljenje, ali ne znamo kome se je najbolje obratiti. Malo mi je čudno da naš pedijatar nije prepoznao da se radi o tom obliku fimoze, već nas je stalno upozoravao da moramo redovito pokušavati prevući kožicu.

    Znate li kojem doktoru u Zagrebu bi bilo dobro još otići na pregled prije nego se definitivno odlučimo za operaciju?

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    trilian, ne znam odgovor na tvoje pitanje, ali i mi imamo fimozu i prije par dana smo bili kod kirurga...i bilo je riječi o zahvatu.
    ali, pošto se matiji nije spustilo desno jaje, sve bi to u kompletu radili.

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    Vidim da su nam dečki i otprilike jednako stari ...Zvala sam u međuvremenu našeg pedijatra. Dati će nam novu uputnicu pa ćemo ići i na pregled u Klaićevu.

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    nama je rekao tek za godinu dana.
    pregled za 6 mjeseci, operacija u rujnu sljedece godine.
    javi sto je bilo s vama.

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    Nama je stvar prilično hitna jer Borna ne može normalno piškiti - rupica mu je premala i mokraća ne može normalno istjecati. Cijeli pišek mu se napuhne pri mokrenju .

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    trilian, kako si ti to skuzila? jel plakao dok je piškio?
    i matiji je rupica jako, jako mala....

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    Popiškio se dok sam ga presvlačila. Tko zna od kad mu se pišek napuhuje pri piškenju... Uopće se nije plakao niti pokazivao da ga nešto smeta. Za operaciju smo naručeni krajem 11. mjeseca, a kirurg nam je rekao da do onda ne bi trebalo biti dodatnih problema

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    Cure ja vam predlažem da ih što duže preko dana držite bez pelena. Kupajte ih u kupki od maslinovog ulja i dozvolite dječacima da se igraju sa svojim spolnim organom što oni i nagonski rade ako im mi to dozvolimo. Možda još ima nade da oni to sami poprave, mislim suženje, a testis će se bez pelena također lakše spustiti. Bitna vam je i noć. Osigurajte krevet s nepropusnom podlogom. Pokušajte da piški prije spavanja i na kraju kontrolirajte noću da li je suh. Ne dajte im kakao ili slično za noć. Penis se noću često eregira što je sa pelenam vrlo otežano pogotovo ako se napune i ima još manje prostora. Eregiranje penisa u poptunosti rasteže prirodno kožicu prepucija i prilagođava rastu penisa.
    To je sve malo problematičnije s pelenama zato danas ima više fimoza nego što ih je ikada bilo.
    Cure sretno.

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    Niti jedan deckic se ne bi trebao obrezivati po defaultu. To je moje iskreno misljenje. Ovdje ne ubrajam ljude koji to rade iz vjerskih razloga. To je njihova odluka. U Canadi a ni u NL koliko znam nema obrezivanja po defaultu kako Mejrinamama pise za USA i mislim da se ni tamo nemora. Nemoze ti neko obrezati djete ako ti to nezelis. Jedan clanak koji sam nedavno citala o muskarcima koji su obrezani i sta sve rade ne bi li ponovo navukli kozicu da naraste je naprosto nevjerovatan i bas ga zelim podjeliti s vama, pa ako uspijete procitajte.

    Boys and the Hood

    Some guys are willing to go through crazy contortions to reverse their circumcisions— taping, stretching, tugging, even surgery. A look at the ins and outs of foreskin restoration By Veronica Cusack



    Alex* stands naked at the bathroom mirror, his supplies arrayed neatly on the vanity before him: two small suspender clips sewn onto a length of wide elastic, a Crayola washable marker and a T-shaped strip of tape. It’s one of a dozen or so strips fashioned from waxed butcher paper and 3M surgical tape that Alex prepared at the kitchen table the night before, much as his mother once assembled batches of pierogies to sustain the family throughout the week.

    Alex is a 31-year-old financial consultant, but in his wide blue eyes and apple-red cheeks you can still see the pampered blithesome baby, the first-born son of parents anxious to do the right thing, to make him look just like Daddy. He grasps the base of his penis and pushes the shaft skin, limited though it is, forward until it folds, then marks the crease with Crayola dots. He positions the T-tape over the markings, wraps it around the glans, or head, and clips the end of the tape onto the elastic strap. He then loops the strap over his shoulder, thus pulling his penis tightly across his stomach—not hard enough to hurt, but enough to keep the skin taut, as it will remain for the next 10 hours. Alex’s business suit hides all evidence of the contraption. He kisses his wife goodbye in his quiet Oakville home and drives away, with only a slight adjustment to the strapping as he starts his commute to Bay Street.

    This is not simply one young man’s singular fetish, but a serious, long-term attempt at restoration—Alex is trying to regrow his foreskin by stretching it. He has maintained his routine for 18 months and hopes another two years will be enough to complete the process. A decade ago, foreskin restoration was dismissed as a “San Francisco fad,” but it’s no longer a fringe phenomenon. Across the GTA and over much of the world, men are mirroring Alex’s schedule. Most restorers seem to favour a variation on the taping method, but they can also choose from one of a growing number of commercial de*vices with such brand names as Foreballs, the TLC Tugger, PUD (penile uncircumcising device) and Tug Ahoy (its grip strength demonstrated by an alarming Web site photo showing two one-gallon jugs of milk hanging from a muscular fellow’s member and the comment that it’s not only comfortable but feels “really good!”). Surgery is also an option, but it can cost $10,000 or more, and tales of resultant scarring and deformity are legion.

    Though no one is keeping official statistics, the burgeoning Web presence of forums and chat groups, plus advocacy and information sites devoted to restoration, suggests that there are tens of thousands of men now at some stage of the procedure. Many consider infant circumcision a criminal assault and a violation of human rights; others are convinced it compromises sexual function.

    “I’m not angry at anyone, as some men are,” says Alex. “I just think this is a good thing for me. It’s what I want.” From mild-mannered bankers to strident advocates, these are men who keenly regret their physical loss, and they’re willing to undergo radical measures to be “natural” again.

    *Some names and details have been changed



    Religious and tribal rites aside, the history of circumcision is largely a history of sexual desire. Rabbi Moses Maimonides, a 12th-century philosopher active in the codi*fication of Jewish law, wrote that circum*cision “has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally…The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable.” Moralists have long condemned extramatrimonial orgasm, whether alone or with a partner, but it wasn’t until the late 1700s that auto-erotic anxiety seized the medical profession. Girls and boys were drugged or restrained in chastity belts and spiked penile rings lest they touch their genitals. In Britain, children were circumcised in the vain hope that the procedure would reduce “amorosity” and prevent masturbation. The mania crossed the Atlantic, and Dr. John Kellogg took up the cause. The influential Corn Flakes creator (he believed in bland food, sexual abstinence and a daily yogurt enema) felt vital fluids were lost during orgasm. In his 1888 medical treatise Treatment for Self-Abuse and Its Effects, he advised, “A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anaesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment. In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.”

    Dr. Stubbs slits the scrotum in two places and threads the penis through. As it lies like a pig in a blanket, the skin grafts onto the shaft, leaving a movable "foreskin."

    As immigrants poured in, changing the face of North American cities, circumcision became a sign of rank and social order, a mark of those who were able to afford the benefits of institutionalized medicine. In the new culture of cleanliness, the foreskin and its attendant smegma were proclaimed harbingers of disease and pollution, themselves indications of immorality. Tuberculosis, venereal disease and penile cancer could all be avoided if only the unclean foreskin was snipped.

    It wasn’t until 1949 that circumcision received its first major medical denunciation, with the British Medical Journal’s publication of Dr. Douglas Gairdner’s “The Fate of the Foreskin,” in which he revealed an average of 16 young boys died in Britain each year while under anaesthetic, or from hemorrhage or infection after the procedure. The Cambridge pediatrician described how the foreskin protects the infant glans and urethral opening from urine, feces and other dirt. The study also noted that an unretracted foreskin, often diagnosed as the abnormal condition phimosis, is natural in an infant, and separation from the glans is a gradual process that can take many years to complete. Britain’s newly formed National Health Service subsequently refused to fund infant circumcision, and rates plummeted throughout the British Isles.

    Canada’s numbers followed a much gent*ler decline. In 1971, Ontario parents were circumcising 60 per cent of infant boys in hospital immediately after birth, but four years later, the Canadian Paediatric Society cautioned against the “obsolete operation.” Unless deemed medically necessary, provincial health plans (with the exception of Mani*toba’s) stopped paying for it. Ten years ago—looking at the procedure in relation to urinary tract infection, STDs, penile and cervical cancer, and at surgical complications such as infection, hemorrhage and the accidental amputation of the glans—the CPS concluded that “circum*cision of newborns should not be routinely performed.” The current Ontario stat for infant boy circumcision in hospitals has dropped to 18 per cent (private procedures are not tabulated).

    Yet still it persists as a surgery in need of a rationale. Today’s headlines tout circumcision as a barrier against HIV, even though the studies are of sub-Saharan African populations whose huge infection rates suggest major social and cultural differences with western countries. Newspapers rarely address the paradox of why the U.S. has the highest incidence of HIV and STDs of industrialized nations yet the largest rate of circumcised males outside of Israel.



    It is only in the last decade that doctors began to meticulously study the anatomy of the foreskin. Canadian Dr. John R. Taylor published “The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision” in the British Journal of Urology in 1996. In that paper, and in further studies, he describes the foreskin as the pri*mary sensory tissue of the penis, and hypothesizes that the “ridged band” of corrugated mucous membrane lining the inner tip of the foreskin triggers deep erogenous sensation, erection and ejaculation.

    “Every man and his dog presumes they already know how everything works, and it’s a burr under the saddle if they’re told anything different. But this is sexual tissue,” says Taylor. “Most people look at the child and the prepuce and say that the prepuce isn’t much use for a child. Well, the prepuce isn’t designed for a child, it’s designed for an adult and you can’t look at it in childish terms.” His studies explain why women who are familiar with both the cut and uncut versions of the penis often describe the circumcised organ as devoid of subtlety, thrusting hard to achieve its aim.

    ”If a man comes to me for advice on restoring the foreskin, I always tell him he’s nuts,” says Dr. Richard Casey, director of the Male Health Centres’ four Ontario clinics, specializing in erectile dysfunction and prostate disease. “It’s a non-issue.” Irreverent, direct and with the timing of a stand-up comic, Casey has spent more than 20 years dealing with thousands of penises and witnessing a host of anxiety disorders. “Wanting to get the foreskin back is actually a body dysmorphic issue. It’s an obsession with the genitalia. Get over it! It’s mostly skin. It’s like losing a tooth.”

    It is easy to be seduced by Casey’s argument, especially after watching a full-frontal demonstration of T-taping, the beleaguered penis stretched across the stomach, as if by Torquemada. But evidence shows that involuntary male circumcision can have physical, sexual and psychological consequences.

    The Canadian Paediatric Society notes that approximately 25 infant boys of every thousand circumcised have surgical complications. Two or three suffer serious side effects. But these figures relate only to complications apparent immediately after surgery. There have been no detailed studies done on problems that don’t manifest until later in life. If too much tissue is removed, erections become tight and uncomfortable; the shaft may even buckle within its own sheath. Hair-bearing skin, invisible in the infant, may be pulled up from the base and scrotum and cause irritation to both partners during intercourse. The raw wound, caused when the infant foreskin is forcibly separated from the glans, can scar and form a skin bridge between the head and shaft that pulls the penis to one side.

    Surgical reconstruction of the foreskin is still a relatively unrefined procedure. Dr. Robert Stubbs, an internationally known cosmetic surgeon famed for his penile lengthening and fattening techniques, was alarmed by the flawed methodology of other surgeons who attempt the fashioning of a faux-foreskin by means of a skin graft or by everting a cylindrical flap of penile skin over the glans. And so Stubbs recently invented his own approach. To date he has performed only three procedures, turning away more than 90 per cent of applicants on physical or psychological grounds (a large scrotum and a healthy attitude are required). He advises newly divorced, melancholy males to buy a Porsche instead.

    A specialist in penile enhancement with the name Stubbs is well used to the taunting of colleagues. Sitting on the edge of his desk, surgical cap perched rakishly aslant his greying hair, he laughs at Dr. Casey’s comments. “He’s a urolo*gist! He’s spouting the cop-out diagnosis of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I’m a plastic surgeon, and therefore I look at quality of life. If a woman has to have a breast removed and opts for reconstruction, there are still doctors who will say ‘Why would she bother?’ I’m fixing heads—no pun intended.” He excuses himself to check on his next patient, a young man who’d undergone the first stage of his operation a few days before and who might be available for an interview. Earlier, I had spotted him, lean and dark-eyed, as he shuffled into the subdued lighting of the waiting room like an arthritic octogenarian. Suddenly a piercing scream emanates from the exam room, followed by the plaintive sob, “It hurts, it hurts, it hurts.” When Stubbs returns, he smiles gently, saying, “I don’t think he’s ready for an interview at the moment.”



    Paul Tinari is another of Stubbs’ patients. An extreme example of circumcision as physical assault, his was performed in 1965, when he was eight years old, because of supposed masturbatory tendencies. He was held down by two priests at a Catholic residential school in Montreal, his nose and wrist broken in the struggle as his foreskin was crudely severed.

    At the Coffee Mill, located in the same building as Stubbs’ Yorkville practice, Tinari is oblivious to the Rosedale matrons who abandon their strudel and listen slack-jawed to his explicit opinions, delivered in a voice that rises in tandem with his passion. “The whole microbiology of the penis changes and therefore so do the bacteria that live there. Circumcision may be one of the reasons why the treatment of yeast infection in women is a multi-billion-dollar industry in North America. And there is a profit made in selling foreskins for biochemical analysis and in the manufacture of artificial skin.” The lanky, red-haired engineer tends to lecture instead of converse, rapidly expounding on his “endless process of becoming,” as well as his skills as an epidemiologist, “imagination engineer” and futurist. But his emotional rant is factual.

    He was well into adulthood before he realized that erections are not supposed to hurt. Manual stretching of his skin was never an option because of the heavy scarring and skin loss, and so tomorrow, Stubbs will operate. Tinari, who now lives in Vancouver, was referred to the plastic surgeon by his B.C. urologist and psychiatrist, and the $12,000 operation is being funded by British Columbia’s health plan. He believes the government’s generosity stems from a desire to avoid his launch of a lawsuit, “plus, they realized it was pay for this or pay for my psychological treatments for the rest of my life.”

    In simple terms, the operation involves slitting the skin of the scrotum horizontally in two places and threading the penis through. For three weeks, the organ lies comfortably in its temporary bed, snuggled like a pig in a blanket, and the scrotum skin grafts onto a designated area of the shaft. A second operation to separate the newly dressed penis leaves a movable “foreskin.” Tinari’s second surgery is successful. “Three days of pain and then lots of gentle walking exercise,” he says. “I’m very pleased.” The new foreskin behaves more or less like a real one. Since it is scrotal skin, it could eventually grow hair, but, Stubbs says matter-of-factly, that can be rectified with electrolysis.

    Foreskin restoration is not a new invention; even the ancient Greeks employed various methods of stretching. But the Internet has created an energetic community. The National Organization of Restoring Men (NORM), NOCIRC, NOHARMM and the Circumcision Information and Resource Pages, among other sites, offer information and support on the topic (one that’s not often discussed over beer and nachos) in anonymity. Visitors can read medical and academic papers and learn the pros and cons of each restoration method. While no stretching technique can restore the foreskin’s erogenous tissue and nerves, men often report that the glans, now moist beneath its protective covering, reaches a new level of sensitivity. “It is like seeing in colour after a lifetime of black and white,” says one man; another describes the sensation as analogous to drawing a finger lightly across the back of the hand, compared to drawing it lightly across the palm.

    Steve Richards, a passionate 30-year-old journalist who manages NORM’s Toronto chapter Web site, spent his adolescence on a NATO base where kids constantly teased him about what they called his Canadian turtleneck. “At swim class, they wanted to know what was wrong with it. So when I went to university I got circumcised. But two months later I regretted it. It looked nicer before, and now I had to change the way I masturbated; there was nothing to move. I’d had no clue what the foreskin really was. The doctor just did it with little explanation of consequences.” He began taping in August of 2004. “I’ll be done by the end of this year.”

    Alex, the Oakville financial consultant, learned of restoration when researching a university paper on human sexuality and was intrigued by the discovery that something lost could be found again. “My parents are immigrants and knew nothing about circumcision, so when the Toronto doctor talked about it at my birth, they both presumed my dad had been circumcised—which speaks a lot to the notion of informed consent.” In 1999, Alex’s first attempts at the process proved futile. He used only tape, no strapping, and his cursory search of the Internet had given him little idea of what he was actually doing. He gave up. Then his wife, Holly, became pregnant with their son, and circumcision was once again a topic of conversation. Five years after his first experiment, Alex embarked on a more comprehensive search of exactly what could be done.

    Holly was surprised at his wishes. “My reaction was, Gosh!” says the auburn-haired math teacher who’d never actually experienced a foreskin. “I told him that I loved his penis just the way it was. But he would talk about this piece of his own body that he hadn’t been allowed to experience, that was taken away without his consent. He felt that nature must have intended it for something. I think the best word for him was wistful.”







    The Canadian Children’s Rights Council, a non-profit advocacy organization, takes the position that “all Canadian children, both male and female, should be protected by the criminal laws of Canada with regards to this aggravated assault.” No other amputation of a child’s healthy tissue is permitted on a parent’s preference. Activists hope that routine circumcision may one day follow the death throes of blood*letting and incantations, and that men will never have to resort to T-tape, skin grafts and gallon jugs of milk again.
    http://www.torontolife.com/features/boys-and-hood/

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