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koji je nedavno uzbunio duhove u VB, govori o iskustvu cetiri porodice i produzenom dojenju. Jedna od sudionica je bila Veronika Robinson, urednica The Mother casopisa , koja je svoje dvije kceri dojila do njihove 7, odnosno 8. godine.
Ovdje je njezina neisjecena izjava , a ako nekoga zanima pogledati dokumentarac, moze se javiti mammi juaniti koja ga ima na dvd-u.
http://themothermagazine.co.uk/extra...stfeeding.html
Meni je, osobno, "prosirila horizonte" i poprilicno nadahnula
hvala na linku, baš mi je trebao takav članak.
:love:
super za procitati... cini se,sjajna zena...
e, a zar je ovo istina sta pise u clanku?:
Citiraj:
The worldwide average for weaning is 4 years and 2 months of age.
Valjda je uzeta i Afrika, Azija, Južna Amerika... worldwide.
A možda je to prosjek samo za dojenu djecu (opet s tim područjima)
(svejedno se i meni čini mnogo)
ma, da sigurno su uzete statistike iz cijelog svijeta..Citiraj:
Amalthea prvotno napisa
i samo dojena djeca... samo onda ulaze u prosjek i mnogo onih koji su dojeni i par dana,ne?... cini se puno, iako bi htjela vjerovati da je tako... al ak je istina-ima nade za covjecanstvo (za sto se autorica boji)...
ima jos nesto -na topicu o tome sto kazu psiholozi naproduzeno, nesto se govorilo da je moguce (iako bi to bio minoran postotak) da majka 'manipulira' djetetom i gotov prisilno ga doji...ova autorica spominje da je to nemoguce zbog 'refleksa sisanja' koji se prirodno gubi kad se djetetu dozvoli da samo odluci do kad ce cikiti...
hm, a kak je onda mm tak efikasno cikio kad mi je trebala pomoc oko kvrga? znaci, sveki ga nije dovoljno dugo dojila pa mu ostao refleks i do dan danas? :lol:
inace,bas sam si htjela skinuti taj dokumentarac ali mi ga 'emule' ne pronalazi....
Antropologinja Kathy Dettwyler veli:
My research suggests that the normal and natural duration of breastfeeding for modern humans falls between 2.5 years at a minimum and about 7 years at a maximum.
Na njenoj stranici ima zanimljivih podataka http://www.kathydettwyler.org/dettwyler.html
ovaj dokumentarac zaista širi horizonte :).
moram priznat da mi je istovremeno bilo jako neobično vidjeti curicu od oko 7 godina koja cica i priča o svom dojenju, ali nekako kad vidiš, onda djeluje normalno, lijepo.
sasvim je drukčije kad to negdje samo pročitaš.
meni je najbolja ova njezina poredba koja opravdava naziv Full term breastfeeding (Potpuno dojenje?), radje nego Produzeno dojenje:Citiraj:
MamaRibice prvotno napisa
Recently, I was chatting on the phone with Dr. Walter Evans, M.D., from Dallas Presbyterian Hospital, about my research suggesting a natural age of weaning between 2.5 years and 7.0 years. He said "Don't you think it would be too daunting if we told new mothers that they had to nurse for 2.5 years, as a minimum?" I responded, "First,I'm not suggesting anyone tell mothers they have to nurse for any duration of time. I'm just suggesting doctors tell them that 2.5 years seems to be the minimum natural age of weaning/the minimum duration the child has been designed to expect. Second, if you know that a certain length of time is normal for a particular activity, then you just accept it -- it doesn't seem daunting .
No one thinks it is too daunting to tell women they must be pregnant for 9 months in order to have a healthy baby. We all know that human pregnancies last 9 months, and if you want a healthy baby, you have to be pregnant for 9 months. And while some babies survive who don't stay in the womb for the whole 9 months, they often require special medical care and many end up with permanent disabilities to varying degrees. Few, if any, women, would risk the potential damage to their baby and insist on an induction at 6 months of pregnancy because they found it too daunting to be pregnant for the whole 9 months, and were only willing to be pregnant for 6 months.
This is directly analogous to the breastfeeding issue. If a woman wants to only nurse her child for 6 weeks, and then wants to wean, fine with me -- I just want to be assured that she has all the facts before she makes her decision. Imagine if a doctor told a woman who was balking at a nine-month pregnancy that she could get away with only being pregnant for six months, then they could induce labor and deliver an extremely premature baby and keep it alive in the NICU for the remaining three months of the pregnancy. Imagine if he told her the NICU environment was "just as good" as being in the womb (formula just as good as breastmilk) and that there wouldn't be any health consequences to her baby. Lots of women would probably decided to opt for a 6 month pregnancy. In fact, people might even begin to question the motives of a woman who wanted to go the whole nine months. Why would anyone choose to be pregnant that long?"
cijeli intervju Extended Nursing: Human Norm je na
http://parenting.ivillage.com/tp/tpw...40lb-2,00.html
usporedba mi se cini dobra pogotovo otkad sam cula za sve veci trend medju majkama da si odrede datum za porod (inducirani, carski) sa doktorom... jer im taj dan najbolje pase...
a naziv 'full term breastfeeding' (za prijevod mi za sad isto ne pada nista drugo osim 'potpuno dojenje') mi se cini super jer okrece pricu o dojenju u pravu perspektivu -doji se u potpunosti...
naziv 'produzeno dojenje' sugerira razvlacenje necega sto je, kao, trebalo zavrsiti... produzeno van granica prirodnog, normalnog... sto nije tocno, ono je u stvari 'produzeno' samo u odnosu na u obicajeno... i to,koliko se cini, na zapadu...jer onaj prosjek od 4,2god. naveden gore i to pobija...
Naježila sam se od te usporedbe, ali neka celebrity je navodno išla na indukciju ili čak na carski nekoliko tjedana prije termina jer su joj rekli da se onda stvara najviše strija.
mislim da se radi o Britney S., ali izgleda da to u zadnje vrijeme nije izoliran slučaj :/Citiraj:
mamazika prvotno napisa
ovo si jako lijepo reklaCitiraj:
lucky day prvotno napisa
ja sam cula da je to uobicajena praksa medu manekenkama, tj. svima onima koje se bave zanimanjima u kojima je tjelesni izgled vazanCitiraj:
mamazika prvotno napisa
meni to zvuci monstruozno, ali te zene ipak zive od svoga tijela.
ne mogu razumjeti obicne zene koje idu na carski samo da izbjegnu bol, to mi je neshvatljivo. ja sa imala jednu jako laganu operaciju, laparoskopsku, i trebalo mi je tri tjedna da se oporavim.
kako uopce baratati s djetetom nakon tako teske operacije :?
Clanak Veronike Robertson, iz predposljednjeg broja The Mother magazine (meni opet vrlo inspirativan pa pozeljeh podijeliti, mozda bude jos kome...)
Full-Term Breastfeeding: letting your childe determine the best time to wean
These past few months my family and I have taken part in the filming of a television documentary on full-term breastfeeding. It is a campaigning documentary to end the discrimination of breastfeeding, conveniently coinciding with MP David Kidney’s bill to make it illegal to stop someone breastfeeding in public.
Having an important yet natural aspect of out family life under such an intense microscope and being questioned about very intimate details has raised many questions for me that I never really gave thought to before, mostly because breastfeeding is an instinctual process not an intellectual one.
I began breastfeeding almost ten years ago and never questioned when it would all end. I breastfed my babies because there was no other option that I would have considered. I had breasts. They filled with milk. Why would I choose anything else? To do so would have been insane and defying the very purpose of my mammary glands!
What I have learnt about b since those early days could easily fill a book or two. I have come to realise that the average person on the street knows next to nothing about the importance of breastfeeding and for this reason we continue to live in a culture which undermines our basic right to feed the next generation in the way they are genetically programmed to expect.
To say I am passionate about the benefits of breastfeeding our children full term, would be an understatement. There are several ways to wean a child, however in our family, there is only one way which truly honours our children, and that is self-weaning or child-led weaning. As the term implies, the child leads the way in when to end the breastfeeding relationship with their mother. What is important to realise, if you and your family choose this breastfeeding path, is that no two children are alike.. EVERY child has its own needs and has its own unique way of choosing to have those needs met. Not all children will chose to breastfeed for several years. The human body is biologically programmed to breastfeed from its mother for anything up to about seven years. It is no coincidence that around the world, regardless of culture or social class, children are having their milk teeth replaced around this age. Where did the term milk teeth come from? Certainly not from children drinking cow’s milk! The world wide average age for weaning from mother’s milk is four years. An average like this does not come from people weaning their children at six months of age! Clearly the majority of people around the world, who choose to live more natural lives, are allowing their children to self-wean. What can we learn from this?
I have learnt that although an older child doesn’t need to suckle for hours each day as an infant does, she does need love and reassurance in huge bundles. The world is a big place and the human brain is constantly growing, evolving and processing. Coming back to the matrix (mother) often in these potentially turbulent years of toddlerhood and early childhood allows the child to integrate changes in a safe zone. I is truly a safe place – perhaps the safest place we have access to once we have left the womb. At mother’s breast we hear the familiar heartbeat that marked our womb life. Her voice, her touch, her love….it is all ours for the taking. Why is a seven year old less worthy of this that a seven week old baby? Quite simply, they are not. They have every right to be welcomed into the breastfeeding arms of mother. And this “right” is what nature intended.
As I come to the end of ten years of breastfeeding I feel a sense of accomplishment,. It isn’t based on the number of years I have explored this vocation but on the relationship I have developed with my daughters. We have our tough days but for the most part I would say we have an incredible bond, which developed within my arms….right next to my heart. Encircled in my love they grew into the girls they are. From breastfeeding they were nourished physically, yet, just as importantly, they learnt, and experienced, many , many other things about human life and growth. Breastfeeding allowed them to develop their hand and eye coordination every time they were put onto the other breast. In my arms they learnt intimacy. Together we learnt about giving and receiving all the while their body was given nature’s amazing gift of immunity enhancer; brain builder; nature’s analgaesic for those painful months of teething! And they developed their oro-facial muscles through extracting milk from my breast.
We have had many funny moments involving milk sprays, wobbly breasts and breast sharing during the tandem nursing years. One of the highlights (from my selfish perspective ) of breastfeeding an older child has been hearing my daughters articulate their love and passion about breastfeeding and breast milk. Full term breastfeeding has been a very natural part of attachment parenting. To have enforced weaning on my children would have somehow (for me) felt like I was taking away something very special from their life before they were ready. What right had I to do that? Indeed if they had been ready to stop breastfeeding any earlier they simply would have stopped!
It has been fascinating to watch how both girls lost the ability to suck at a similar age (about seven years Bethany and almost eight years Eliza). This time has, interestingly, been when their reading has really taken off and they have been devouring novels. I can see that there has been a huge developmental shift within their learning. They are literally taking off into the world in a brand new way. I don’t feel the sadness I might have expected at the end of our breastfeeding journey. Instead, I feel excitement at the new milestones which await. I am loving all the new experiences we’re having.
Breastfeeding has given way to a new phase in our relationship. I feel nothing but gratitude that I have been supported by an advocate of breastfeeding and that my husband Paul has been so fully committed to giving our girls this head start in life.
If I dare offer any breastfeeding family some advice (and I am reluctant to do so because the journey is unique for each family), follow your heart rather than societal pressure. You never know what delights await you and your older child if you allow them to lead the way with weaning. Above all, be at peace with your decision.
evo jedan :love: i jedno veliko :heart: za Veroniku.
prava je inspiracija.
Bas mi je ovo trebalo. :)
Ja sam hodajuci primjer dugog dojenja. Anna je u skoli i tu i tamo podoji i ima 6 godina i 5 mjeseci. Nisam procitala sve, ali mi je drago da netko argumentira pozitivizam dugog dojenja i jedva cekam da pogledam dvd.
Mama Juanita i Saradadevi svaka cast...
jos jedna lijepa zgoda gdje je javno velicano dojenje starije djece.
Bila jucer na predavanju jednog doktora, istina, naturopatskog, istina porijeklom iz Indije, ali pricao on pred londonskim auditorijem o tome kako se temelji zdravlja postavljaju od pocetka (mislio je time vjerujem od trenutka zaceca) pa krene u neka nabrajanja i dodje do dojenja pa rece:
Formula nije dobra za dijete! (povisio je glas), Kravlje mlijeko nije dobro!
Dojite svoju djecu godinama. To je dobar temelj za zdravlje!
I jos nadodao kako svojoj majci cesto u mislima zahvaljuje jer ga je dojila cetiri godine (bilo je to poodavno...covjek je u osamdesetim...)
Meni se sve nesto oko srca razgalilo... :)