Da li je tko dobio poziv u CZSS zbog odbijanja cjepiva?

[mujica]

ne mogu vjerovati da doktor, k tome još neuropedijatar vjeruje da cjepivo uzrokuje takve teške bolesti, a da ništa ne poduzima za spasiti svu ovu djecu koja se rutinski cijepe.
Ajde, još bih shvatio da vjeruje da se dogodi jedan slučaj npr. Guillain-Barre sindroma kao posljedica cijepljenja, pa ne diže buru jer smatra da je korist od cijepljenja cijele generacije djece značajno viša od štete.
Ali ako netko kaže da ima

jako puno slučajeva

tako ozbiljnih bolesti kao što su

CP, autizam, westov sindrom

i smatra da su one posljedica cijepljenja, taj je fakat zločinac ako to ne podigne na najvišu moguću razinu da se istraži je li to doista ima veze s cijepljenjem. Da se to rasčisti i da se ukine cijepljenje ako ima veze, ili da prestane pričati na temelju dojmova ako nema veze.

[Majuška]

Ali ako netko kaže da ima tako ozbiljnih bolesti kao što su i smatra da su one posljedica cijepljenja, taj je fakat zločinac ako to ne podigne na najvišu moguću razinu da se istraži je li to doista ima veze s cijepljenjem. Da se to rasčisti i da se ukine cijepljenje ako ima veze, ili da prestane pričati na temelju dojmova ako nema veze.

.. a onda je svizac zamotao čokoladu

na osnovu čega da taj neuropedijatar to podigne na višu razinu? i gdje, u naše vrlo ministarstvo zdravstva?
na temelju kojih materijalnih dokaza da riskira brukanje i gubitak posla, možebitno?

mogao je primjetiti u dugoj praksi podudarnost ali čime i kako će dokazati da se to dogodilo baš zbog cjepiva?

mislim, kao da živimo u paralelnom svemiru

[mujica]

no, da ne okolišamo.... opsežne studije su dokazale da cijepljenje nema veze s nastankon autizma i westovog sindroma.
a dovoditi cijepljenje u vezu sa cerebralnom paralizom nikom razumnom nije niti palo na pamet.

[mujica]

evo wikipedije (za početnike)

There are known cases in which the spasms occurred for the first time after vaccination against Measles, Mumps and Rubella or Tetanus, Pertussis, Diphtheria, Polio, Hepatitis B and Haemophilus influenzae Type B. However, there is no causal relationship between immunization and West syndrome, since stress of any kind is a common trigger for seizures, and the immunization occurs during the time-frame in which many typical cases become conspicuous.

The number of reported cases of autism increased dramatically in the 1990s and early 2000s. This increase is largely attributable to changes in diagnostic practices; it is not known how much, if any, growth came from real changes in autism's prevalence, and no causal connection to the MMR vaccine has been demonstrated.^[113] The following were published after the 1998 Wakefield et al. paper:

• In October 2004, a meta review, financed by the European Union, was published in the October 2004 edition of Vaccine^[114] that assessed the evidence given in 120 other studies and considered unintended effects of the MMR vaccine. The authors concluded that although the vaccine is associated with positive and negative side effects, a connection between MMR and autism was "unlikely".

• In February 2005, a study compared autism in Japan before and after the 1993 withdrawal of the MMR vaccine: the autism rates continued to increase, which means that the withdrawal of MMR on other countries is unlikely to cause a reduction in future autism cases.^[109]

• In October 2005, the Cochrane Library published a review of 31 scientific studies, which found no credible evidence of an involvement of MMR with either autism or Crohn's disease. The review also stated "Measles, mumps and rubella are three very dangerous infectious diseases which cause a heavy disease, disability and death burden in the developing world ... [T]he impact of mass immunisation on the elimination of the diseases has been demonstrated worldwide." However the authors of the report also stated that "the design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre- and post-marketing, are largely inadequate."^[10]

• A 2007 case study used the figure in Wakefield's 1999 letter to The Lancet alleging a temporal association between MMR vaccination and autism^[115] to illustrate how a graph can misrepresent its data, and gave advice to authors and publishers to avoid similar misrepresentations in the future.^[116]

• A 2007 review of independent studies performed after the publication of Wakefield et al.'s original report found that these studies provide compelling evidence against the hypothesis that MMR is associated with autism.^[117]

• A review of the work conducted in 2004 for UK court proceedings but not revealed until 2007 found that the polymerase chain reaction analysis essential to the Wakefield et al. results was fatally flawed due to contamination, and that it could not have possibly detected the measles that it was supposed to have detected.^[97]

• A 2009 review of studies on links between vaccines and autism discusses the MMR vaccine controversy as one of three main hypotheses which epidemiological and biological studies fail to support.^[118]